In the testimony we had, it seemed that most of the people.... I'm actually looking at my colleagues while I say this, because if my memory serves me right, most people were very concerned that in the police and the lower governments there's an issue, no question about that. But it appeared that for most people the Lobo administration was working constructively with them.
I'll give you the name of one other person we had before us two weeks ago. Rick Craig, from the Justice Education Society of British Columbia, said the following. I'm paraphrasing now because I don't have his testimony in front of me, but he indicated that although the job was a tough and substantive, they were making some serious headway in the reconstruction of the justice system, for lack of better words, because I don't remember the exact wording used. He did say it was a long process, a step-by-step one, but that they were making some progress there.