Evidence of meeting #87 for Subcommittee on International Human Rights in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was drc.

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Jocelyn Kelly  Director, Women in War Program, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative, As an Individual

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

Order, please. Welcome to the 87th meeting of the Subcommittee on International Human Rights of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development. Today is Tuesday, June 11, 2013.

We are televised today, so the usual rules of good behaviour that apply to televised sessions apply today.

We have with us today as a witness Jocelyn Kelly, the director of the women in war program at Harvard University.

We're returning to a study that we looked at some time ago—it's our first hearing in quite a while—on the situation in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, specifically the systematic use of sexual violence against women as a weapon of war.

Ms. Kelly, we're very glad to have you here today. I know that the clerk will already have explained the general outlines of how these things work. You have as much time as you need for your presentation, but we usually encourage witnesses to stay around the 10-minute mark. The amount of time we have left when you're finished will determine how much time we have for each of the six rounds of questions and answers that you'll get from the members of the subcommittee.

Please feel free to begin any time.

1:05 p.m.

Jocelyn Kelly Director, Women in War Program, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative, As an Individual

Mr. Chair, I'd like to thank the subcommittee for this opportunity to address you on the issue of sexual violence against women in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

My name is Jocelyn Kelly. I'm the director of the women in war program at the Harvard Humanitarian Initiative, an interdisciplinary research group at Harvard University that examines how to bring evidence-based practices into complex crises.

I've seen the transcripts of the other substantive sessions on the Congo and know that the members of the subcommittee are already very knowledgeable about the situation there. It's a rare honour to be invited here today to speak about such an important issue to those who are so clearly committed to this problem.

I've worked in international crises and disaster response since 2004 and have specifically worked in DRC since 2007 as a public health researcher, using both quantitative and qualitative research methods. During my time there I've worked not only with survivors of sexual violence but also with current rebel combatants from a number of groups and with demobilized former soldiers including former child soldiers. This has provided me an unusual opportunity to look at the complex issues in DRC from many angles.

The work of the women in war program has been possible because of the close partnerships we have with local organizations that undertake heroic work, including the Panzi Hospital, the Centre d'assistance médico-psychosociale, known as CAMPS, and the Eastern Congo Initiative, to name but a few.

Our program is committed to looking at gendered issues in areas of political instability. We try to conduct action-based research with local partners in an effort to inform programming and policy using the voices and recommendations of the true experts in a situation: those who are themselves affected.

In DRC our most recent projects have focused on a number of topics, including the stigma that survivors of sexual violence face in their families and communities after rape, the issues faced by children born as a result of sexual violence, the demobilization and reintegration of former child soldiers, and human rights assessments with a particular focus on women's rights in artisanal mining towns. I know we cannot even begin to cover all of the results from all of these projects. Instead, I'd like to try to cover two broad points in this presentation. I'll try to synthesize our more detailed research results into a set of more general observations about the situation in DRC, especially as it relates to women's issues. Next, I'll propose a set of recommendations, again, supported by those affected by these issues, in the hope that these will help the committee in its work.

We're here to discuss sexual violence against women, used systematically as a weapon of war in DRC. To do this, I'd like to start with one of my favourite quotes from feminist Gloria Steinem. At a presentation of hers I attended a few years ago, she said that when we discuss women's issues, we call it culture, and when we discuss men's issues we call it economics. The committee has already recognized what many people still struggle to realize, that sexual violence in conflict anywhere is not just a women's issue and it's not just a cultural issue, but a political issue and a human rights issue, and it's at the core of the peace and security agenda.

The DRC conflict can be intimidating to understand. People can get lost in an alphabet soup of factions of armed groups and subgroups and shifting political and military loyalties. It's a complicated situation, but there are lessons that have emerged through our work and the work of many dedicated researchers. First, and perhaps very obviously, wounds resulting from sexual and gender-based violence are multi-dimensional in scope. This pervasive and often public violence not only affects the individual survivor but also shatters family and community relationships. The stigmatization and isolation of survivors from their social networks, the witnessing of public sexual violence by members of a survivor's family and community, and the changes in social norms because of displacement are all destabilizing effects of sexual violence on communities.

A complicated problem requires a holistic approach. It is important to provide integrated medical, mental health, and economic support services. Holistic care, either through referral mechanisms or through integrating different services in the same organization, is required in order to address this issue.

Second, people focus on the problems that women in the Congo face, but interestingly enough many of the women we speak to are most concerned about their children and their families. We must take an integrated family-based approach to addressing this problem. Children are especially reliant on a myriad of critical social structures—family, religious communities, education, and health systems—in order to ensure their health and development, but these are the very systems that have been undermined or destroyed as a result of the pervasive insecurity in the DRC.

Children are affected both directly and indirectly by sexual violence. Services must take a family-centred approach to help women address not only their personal needs resulting from rape, but also the needs of their families, including children as well.

The Congolese government has made a commitment to ensure free education for children up to primary school. It's a promise that has currently been unmet. You would be surprised by the number of women who have suffered life-threatening injuries and have had everything they owned taken away from them, and when asked what they would like to see change in the future, say that the one thing they want is education for their children.

Another consequence of the conflict is the destabilization of economic systems. We must provide context appropriate income-generating solutions for women and men. We must encourage community-led implementation of farming, trade cooperatives, and micro-lending. And we must provide security for the women who are ready to work, to undertake the activities they choose.

Our work with the World Bank in artisanal mining towns in the DRC illustrates the importance of this issue. Women often go to mining towns to seek the economic opportunity that is all too rare in Congo. There they face horrific outcomes, and are often marginalized into undertaking sex work instead of fulfilling their right to undertake fair-paying work in mining towns.

There is a need to support local mining activities in a sustainable way to harness the economic promise in these areas. To do so, we must address corruption and fraud in the mining sector, provide technical assistance for the modernization of artisanal mining, engage in education on Congolese law and the mining code, and promote grassroots, inclusive economic cooperatives.

Finally, violence is cyclical. I've interviewed more than a hundred soldiers from a number of rebel groups during my time in Congo. We think of combatants as perpetrators of violence who commit monstrous acts that most of us find impossible to understand. However, many of these soldiers were forced to join armed groups through kidnapping or intense pressure, and they often joined at very young ages. Many soldiers joined with the idea of fighting against the atrocities committed against themselves and their families, but after joining, these men and women found themselves perpetrating the same crimes they had themselves suffered.

We see a recurring pattern to the insecurity in the DRC. Many of the rebel soldiers we have talked to have gone through a revolving door of demobilization multiple times. When I was in the DRC last summer, our research was interrupted when were interviewing former child soldiers who were actually leaving our research project to rejoin the fighting against M23.

Since the conflict is now two decades long, there is an entire generation of young people who have never experienced peace. Funding for the demobilization of rebel groups and integration of soldiers into their communities must be a part of other services, and requires long-term commitments from governments and donors.

Combatants need ongoing psychosocial services in addition to simply giving up their guns. I heard a psychologist talk about this as “mental disarmament”. Undertaking this work will help ensure that military mindsets and predation of civilians does not occur after ostensible peace processes are undertaken.

Despite the complexity of the situation in the DRC, there are things we can be sure of: peace must be a foundation for longer-term sustainable improvements in the situation in Congo. Moreover, women's issues are political issues. Sexual violence and other human rights violations undermine peace and security in Congo. Sexual violence in conflict is not inevitable. I'll say it again because it's something that many of us still struggle to understand. We think of rape as old as war itself, yet many remarkable public health and political science researchers are undertaking groundbreaking work to show that sexual violence in conflict is not inevitable. Since it is not inevitable, we are charged to address this issue and to prevent it.

This can be done through attainable but difficult measures, including changing people's attitudes to women's rights, ending the impunity of military and civilian perpetrators, undertaking security sector reform with the national military, providing fair and equal employment and educational opportunities for women and men, and pursuing lasting peace and stability in Congo.

I thank you, Mr. Chairman, and the entire committee, for your continued dedication to this important issue.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

Thank you, Ms. Kelly.

We're going to begin our questioning with Mr. Sweet.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

Thank you very much, Chair, and thank you for your testimony, Ms. Kelly.

I'm sure I speak for my colleagues when I tell you that our commitment to violence against women is unequivocal. We consider this matter just as important as violence against men or against children. You have our commitment in that regard.

You mentioned the lack of fulfilment by the DRC of their promise of free education. What do you see as their level of commitment in preventing sexual violence against women by the Congolese army? What more could the international community do to move them in the right direction, if that's what's needed?

1:15 p.m.

Director, Women in War Program, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative, As an Individual

Jocelyn Kelly

The Congolese government's commitment to addressing sexual violence is a difficult matter. Any commitment, however, is strengthened by sustained pressure from partners who are truly engaged. The Congolese government is made up of remarkable individuals, many of whom have personally been affected by the conflict. However, I think their political will needs to be strengthened. It needs to be the foundation for addressing this issue. I would like to see a more sustained and committed effort by the Congolese government, and I think this can be promoted by continued pressure from countries like the United States and Canada.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

We have a ways to go.

1:20 p.m.

Director, Women in War Program, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative, As an Individual

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

I'm going to ask you a multi-part question that is important for our evidence on this study.

A new intervention brigade with a mandate to reduce the threat of violence against civilians was created in March 2013 under UN Security Council resolution 2098. It addresses the sexual and gender-based violence against children posed by both Congolese and foreign armed groups, and it attempts to neutralize a number of specific armed groups.

In your view, how is the deployment of the UN's new intervention brigade likely to affect the situation in eastern DRC? To what extent do you think this new force may contribute to reducing levels of conflict-related sexual violence in the DRC? Do you have any suggestions for the international community regarding ways to improve the likelihood that the intervention brigade will have a positive impact on security in eastern DRC?

1:20 p.m.

Director, Women in War Program, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative, As an Individual

Jocelyn Kelly

As a public health researcher, I sometimes hesitate to comment authoritatively on some of the UN undertakings. However, I would say that many of the interventions still need to be integrated with local and national efforts. While the UN's efforts in DRC are admirable, it's still an enormous country, no matter how large the number of troops, and the true effort needs to come from the political will of the Congolese government. I see that as a more sustainable avenue for changing things on the ground. I think this can be achieved through security sector reform together with better pay and training for Congolese troops.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

Do you have any concern that the actions of the intervention force will cause reprisals on innocent people?

1:20 p.m.

Director, Women in War Program, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative, As an Individual

Jocelyn Kelly

It would be difficult for me to comment authoritatively on that. We see many unintended consequences as a result of actions in Congo, so I would not rule it out.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

You've been on the ground for a while. We heard some positive testimony some time ago about the effects of NGO and government efforts to change the culture, particularly in regard to how the communities respond to women who are raped and become pregnant and then have children. Is that still progressing? Do you still see positive signs that the broader community is embracing these victims rather than shunning them, as was happening before?

1:20 p.m.

Director, Women in War Program, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative, As an Individual

Jocelyn Kelly

Absolutely. I think that was one of the most troubling and incomprehensible things that we saw in Congo. Women were being blamed for a rape that was clearly not their fault. One of the local partners I mentioned,

the Medical Psycho-Social Help Centre,

works in Bukavu, but radiates to some of the most remote areas in Congo. They have done heroic work trying to change attitudes. I know many NGOs are undertaking those efforts. We certainly see changes in attitudes and cultural norms related to the way survivors of sexual violence are treated. When women are able to earn incomes and become vital economic actors in their families and communities, I think it will help them regain the dignity and agency necessary for their acceptance. While we recognize that acceptance should occur no matter what, we also see that income-generating programs, in addition to changing mindsets and cultural norms, can be a powerful way to address the stigma against a survivor of sexual violence.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

Thank you.

Mr. Jacob, you have the floor.

1:20 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Jacob NDP Brome—Missisquoi, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I would like to thank Ms. Kelly for having come today to make her presentation, which was very eloquent.

My first question concerns NGOs.

Some NGOs fear that their cooperation with the UN ties them to the military action of the new intervention brigade. They fear that they will be refused access to some regions.

1:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

Mr. Jacob, there is an interpretation problem. Perhaps you can start over, and I will give you the necessary time.

1:25 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Jacob NDP Brome—Missisquoi, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Many groups think that this UN military brigade will lead to retaliation against humanitarian workers.

Do you have concerns about the impact that the intervention brigade may have on access to humanitarian aid as well as the safety of humanitarian workers and the people they serve?

1:25 p.m.

Director, Women in War Program, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative, As an Individual

Jocelyn Kelly

Thank you for that very important comment and question.

As someone coming from the research community, I would hesitate to speak on behalf of programmatic NGOs working in the area. Unfortunately, I think I should probably leave that question to the programmers who are doing work on the ground every day.

1:25 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Jacob NDP Brome—Missisquoi, QC

Thank you.

On March 18, 2013, Bosco Ntaganda, a suspected leader of M23, went to the Embassy of the United States in Rwanda and was transferred to face criminal charges at the International Criminal Court.

In your opinion, what led Bosco Ntaganda to go to the American embassy to face a trial at the International Criminal Court? What will be the impact of his surrender on the current conflict and on M23?

1:25 p.m.

Director, Women in War Program, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative, As an Individual

Jocelyn Kelly

While it's an important question, I would, once again, hesitate to comment on the motivations leading up to going to the American embassy. I apologize, but I think I'm going to stay within my area of expertise, which is the impact of sexual violence on survivors in Congo.

1:25 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Jacob NDP Brome—Missisquoi, QC

I will ask an easier question.

Are there measures the Government of Canada could take in the DRC to prevent or decrease sexual violence, or even make it disappear?

1:25 p.m.

Director, Women in War Program, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative, As an Individual

Jocelyn Kelly

Thank you for that question. I certainly do find that a bit easier to respond to, although naturally it's a difficult question as well. I think Canada has undertaken a remarkable commitment to working in DRC, and I congratulate you on your efforts through CIDA.

One of the things we've seen in DRC that is not necessarily a reflection of Canada but of funding mechanisms in general is that NGOs, local organizations and even multilateral organizations, struggle with the fact that they're trying to undertake long-term sustained efforts but funding often comes in fits and starts and attention varies between different efforts at different times. Here, one of the challenges, for instance, in the demobilization and reintegration efforts was that funding would come in six-month cycles, but clearly, soldiers needed much longer-term services in order to be able to fully reintegrate into civilian life after spending decades sometimes in armed groups.

What I would say is that Canada can lead not only by example, but also by supporting a kind of sustained multi-donor mechanism that can create funding that is targeted to important questions that last for many years, instead of in short funding cycles that create disruption of services.

Another thing that I would say is unique to this setting is that Canada has the opportunity to create political pressure on the Congolese government to fulfill some of its promises, and to continue to push for political solutions to sustained problems.

1:30 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Jacob NDP Brome—Missisquoi, QC

Do I still have a bit of time left, Mr. Chair?

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

Yes, you have enough time to ask another question.

1:30 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Jacob NDP Brome—Missisquoi, QC

Ms. Kelly, your association has done research on the motives of combatants who commit acts of sexual violence in eastern DRC.

In your opinion, through what mechanisms are former members of militias integrated into the Congolese army?