Evidence of meeting #20 for Subcommittee on International Human Rights in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was armenian.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Ani Mardian  Representative, Government Relations Office, Ottawa, Armenian Church Diocese of Canada
Roupen Kouyoumdjian  Executive Director, Armenian National Committee of Canada
Hagop Arslanian  Director, Government Relations Office, Armenian Church Diocese of Canada

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

Order, please.

I welcome you to the 20th hearing of the Subcommittee on International Human Rights of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development on this Thursday, April 3, 2014.

Today we are continuing our study into sexual violence and the persecution of religious minorities in Syria. In particular, this time we're having a discussion that relates to the request made by a number of members that we hear about the situation regarding Armenians in Syria.

We have three witnesses with us today. Ani Mardian, Hagop Arslanian, and Roupen Kouyoumdjian are here to testify.

I'll leave it up to you to decide how you divide your time. When you've completed your testimony, we'll go to a series of questions, with equal amounts of time for members from each party.

Please feel free to begin your testimony.

1:05 p.m.

Ani Mardian Representative, Government Relations Office, Ottawa, Armenian Church Diocese of Canada

Thank you.

Good afternoon. My name is Ani Mardian. I'm here on behalf of the Armenian Church of Canada. I'm here with the director of the government relations office, Deacon Arslanian. Together we bring you greetings from Archbishop Nathan Hovhannisian.

Thank you for the invitation to appear today and for the opportunity to present this very crucial issue for your consideration.

We are here before you to ask the Government of Canada, through the House of Commons Standing Subcommittee on International Human Rights, to join the international condemnation of the recent violence that is endangering the historically Armenian community of Kassab.

We seek immediate action to aid the Armenian population and also safeguard it and the other vulnerable minority ethnic communities.

It is vital that an expression of condemnation and a call for action against the unprovoked attacks by Canada, as a defender of minority and human rights, be heard amid the wider international response. There is an urgent need to reach out to safeguard the lives and future of the population, who are now in desperate need for protection and aid.

The town of Kassab, whose inhabitants by a high majority are of Armenian origin, have been compelled to save their lives by fleeing to the city of Latakia, where they have found refuge and are now huddled in a small church and a few schoolhouse rooms.

They not only require protection against terrorist groups but also are in dire need of supplies to sustain them during a vulnerable period, as they have been forced to evacuate their homes leaving behind their clothes, their supplies, and all their worldly goods.

Fearing a far worse fate from the hardline rebel groups who play a prominent role in the Syrian uprising, the minorities had gathered behind the government of President Assad for protection. They have not participated in the fighting but remain neutral and now consequently are not in a position to defend themselves.

From the pre-war Armenian population in the major cities in Syria, only a small fraction remain in their homes. The majority, those whose situations allow them to be able to leave, have moved to other countries or at least to what they believe to be a safer area of Kassab and Latakia within Syria.

Kassab, in northern Syria near the border of Turkey, was settled by the Armenians from the 14th and 15th centuries and to this day has been home to some 2,000 Armenians. The town of Kassab is a postcard-pretty coastal village on the Mediterranean. But more importantly, this region has stood as a symbol of Armenian history and has nurtured the Armenian identity for centuries.

According to the reports of the Associated Press, the Syrian rebels who attacked Kassab are from an array of rebel groups, including the al-Qaeda-affiliated Nusra Front based in Turkey. The militant groups have been reported to have attacked Kassab under the cover of Turkish artillery strikes. The attacks are now engulfing the area and targeting the residents because of their religion and ethnicity.

On March 21, the armed rebels attacked the heavily populated region by crossing the Syrian border from Turkey into Syria. Under threat of slaughter, the entire population was forced to flee. Regrettably, not all were able to escape, and some have since brutally lost their lives.

The long history of Armenians in this region, populations growing from ancient Armenian principalities, is fraught with persecution and loss. Notwithstanding their history, the Armenian people's persistent nature and their adaptable character had allowed those who remained to rebuild a flourishing life in this ancient homeland. Sadly, we are now witnessing the third expulsion of Armenians from this region.

The President of Armenia, Serzh Sargsyan, said Kassab was attacked by Turkish militants in 1909, and in 1915 the Armenian population was deported by the Ottomans, resulting in their deaths as they marched into the deserts of Syria. The current forced flight has deep meaning for all Armenians. The mass exodus from Kassab is reminiscent of the early days of the Armenian genocide under the cover of World War I.

Mr. Albrecht, Canadian Armenians thank you for bringing the issue of deliberate targeting of religious and ethnic groups to light by raising your concerns about the plight of the Armenian community in Kassab, on March 25 in the Parliament of Canada.

Mr. David Anderson, parliament secretary to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, responded to your question on behalf of our government.

Mr. Anderson acknowledged that the violations against the citizens based on their religion and ethnicity are a violation of their basic human rights. As Armenians who are now dispersed throughout the world and who today constitute a large international diaspora resulting from the gravest violations against those human rights, we appeal to you with heightened urgency to help our community in Syria.

Please provide hope through direct aid and security so that they will not again be the forgotten group in a time of crisis. As we all can attest from history, the wrongs of the past are difficult to undo. The time to act is now and we can best make a difference now.

The Christian Armenian community is once again being uprooted from their homes and possibly their homeland as a result of recent accelerated and targeted extremist attacks. We strongly urge you to appeal on our behalf to the Canadian government to take all necessary means to help the Armenian community of Kassab without delay. It is our fervent hope that the exigent situation of the atrocities and the immediate local grim circumstances will grant a positive response.

On behalf of the government relations office of the diocese and its faithful across Canada we ask Canada to do specific work on two fronts: diplomacy and humanitarian assistance to Syria. From the generous pledge of the $353 million of humanitarian assistance to Syria, we urge you to allocate some of the funds directly to the immediate needs of the Armenian families. We call upon you to work closely with your ally in the region—in this case Canada's NATO ally the Republic of Turkey—to seal the borders into Kassab region and prevent the al-Qaeda inspired extremist incursions on Kassab.

The Armenian Church Diocese of Canada is ready and will cooperate in all ways as needed to facilitate a viable and transparent mechanism to send any help that is made available for this cause.

In closing I'd like to read a quote from Albert Schweitzer, the German theologian and philosopher. He said, “Humanitarianism consists in never sacrificing a human being to a purpose.”

Canada is a champion of human rights and freedoms and must stand up to its values to work to stop the ongoing bloodshed. Please provide the aid to secure the return of the Armenian community of Kassab to their rightful homes with dignity and with honour.

Thank you.

1:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

Thank you.

Who would like to go next?

1:10 p.m.

Roupen Kouyoumdjian Executive Director, Armenian National Committee of Canada

My name is Robert Kouyoumdjian. I am the Executive Director of the Armenian National Committee of Canada, Ottawa office.

If you have any questions, I am ready to answer them.

1:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

Mr. Arslanian, do you have anything to add? Did you want to make a separate presentation as well?

1:10 p.m.

Hagop Arslanian Director, Government Relations Office, Armenian Church Diocese of Canada

No, if you have questions then we'd be willing to answer.

1:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

All right in that case we'll turn to questions. You finished quite early, so I think we have enough time here for six-minute question and answer rounds.

We'll start with Mr. Sweet.

1:10 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

First off thank you for being here and for your testimony. I was on the Syrian-Jordanian border myself just six weeks ago, and when I was there 700 refugees crossed at the time.

1:10 p.m.

Representative, Government Relations Office, Ottawa, Armenian Church Diocese of Canada

Ani Mardian

I'm sorry we're all a bit late in putting on our earphones and we're having difficulty hearing.

1:10 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

I was just mentioning that at the end of January I was on the Jordanian-Syrian border and at the time 700 refugees came across while we were there. Many of them had been bombed out of their homes months before, and bombed out of their friends' homes, and then finally just had to leave because the forces that were at play there—as you mentioned several different factions—drove them out.

So I wanted to ask you specifically, are the Armenians being targeted to a greater degree than the Greek Orthodox and the Catholic community there? Are there specific atrocities that Armenians are dealing with compared to the other persecuted minorities who are there where you find the extremists stirring up anti-Christian sentiment in order to bring about persecution upon them and torture, and of course in some cases, death?

1:10 p.m.

Executive Director, Armenian National Committee of Canada

Roupen Kouyoumdjian

The persecution of Christians is a very particular situation. We cannot say that only the Armenians, Greeks or other Christians were persecuted. The last incident, which was the attack on Kessab, is one very specific element of that persecution.

As you know, Turkey is holding municipal elections. The presidential election will follow in August 2014. In 2015 there will be general elections. Currently, there is enormous confusion in Turkey.

Since I was born there and lived there for 31 years, I know what is going on very well. When there is a problem inside the country, the best way of dealing with it is to direct people's attention outside the borders. That is what happened.

The latest target was Kessab. This village lived in peace for years. In fact, its residents were all retired people. The village of Kessab was chosen as a target. The residents finally took refuge in Latakia.

I don't know if you are aware of that situation. We sent you a memo last week. That memo is a transcription, a sort of leak from the cabinet in Ankara. At that meeting the Minister of External Affairs was present, as well as the head of national security and the chief of staff of the military. The fourth person present was the second-in-command at External Affairs. Apparently the opposition, which is fighting the current government, was behind this leak. Everything that was recorded was put on YouTube.

The leak shows very clearly that the head of national security made a proposal. He said that they would send four or five guerillas or volunteers to Syria who would send rockets toward Turkey. He suggested that that could be used as a pretext to invade Syria. It is transcribed verbatim. You have it in your email. Last week we sent it to at least 350 elected representatives or official representatives of the Canadian Parliament. All of this is known.

That is why when you asked me about a very general matter which was an internal matter in Syria, I do not criticize the Syrian regime as such, and, how can I put this, I don't praise it either. However, the problem is that they are waiting for an opportunity. In the Middle East, they implement this type of game and scenario. This is not new. It has been going on for years.

To my mind, it is very clear. In 1915, the Armenians were massacred. This has been called a genocide, and the genocide is continuing. The last phase was the attack on the village of Kessab.

This always happens as the historic date of April 24 approaches. Is this a coincidence or not? I don't know.

Have I answered your question, sir?

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

That uses up your time.

1:15 p.m.

Executive Director, Armenian National Committee of Canada

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

Colleagues, I've just been notified by the clerk, and also by Mr. Marston, that we're going to hear bells in a moment. These are 30-minute bells.

Do I have the permission of the committee—I need unanimous consent for this—to continue on until we have had a full six-minute question and answer from each of the two other parties at the very least?

1:15 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

Yes, if we can fit it in. We need five minutes to get there.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

Yes, okay. So we'll make sure we do that, and then we'll wrap up.

Is that okay with everybody? All right.

1:15 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

Our witnesses may not know what the bells mean.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

We'll worry about that when it happens.

Mr. Marston, you are on. You have six minutes.

1:15 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

Okay, well, I'll grab the six minutes before the bells—

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

Just to be clear, before you start the clock, are you saying we won't be able to fit in six minutes for everybody?

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

No, no, for each of the parties.... So we'll have time for two more.

Mr. Marston, please.

1:20 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

And I appreciate hearing your testimony. Having met with you last week and hearing your story, I find it's very concerning.

I'm going to play devil's advocate here because there are going to be some questions thrown back out.

Let's be frank. There's a lot of history here for many years and so there's going to be another side to this story, I'm sure, presented, at some point.

You mentioned the press release that brought this information. Whose press release was it?

1:20 p.m.

Executive Director, Armenian National Committee of Canada

Roupen Kouyoumdjian

It was a meeting—

1:20 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

No, I'm saying who were the people who issued the press release? Not the content....

1:20 p.m.

Executive Director, Armenian National Committee of Canada

Roupen Kouyoumdjian

The Armenian National Committee of Canada and the group working for the centennial.