The answer is absolutely not. There is a lot of negotiating among ourselves that's going on here in the west in relation to Russia.
In relation to Ukraine, I believe that the best way of dealing with the situation would be the sanctioning of all of the cabinet ministers, all of them, sanctioning Putin, and then sanctioning a wide swath of what I call “oligarch trustees”.
Just to explain that to you, the way that kleptocracy works is that most government officials don't keep the money in their own names. They keep the money in the names of people they trust. These are the trustees. As you look at these rich lists of Russians, oftentimes they're not as rich as they look on the list, because they're holding assets on behalf of Vladimir Putin and other senior government ministers. I believe the closest anyone has come to sort of half-satisfactory lists are the U.S. sanctions lists that have come out, because they've actually gone after businessmen, and some very well-known businessmen, but not nearly enough businessmen.
The Canadian list that just came out today had two businessmen on it, which is better than no businessmen. The European list had no businessmen on it. The businessmen are the guys who hold the money for Putin and his colleagues, and those are the people who need to be sanctioned as far as Putin's Ukrainian military adventure is concerned.
With regard to these human rights abuses, nobody has been sanctioned. Nobody has been sanctioned in Canada for the Magnitsky murder. We have all the evidence. They have been sanctioned in America. I don't understand why Canada couldn't just take the American list and adopt it or some version of it. I could come here and spend a week with the immigration minister's staff and share with him the evidence.
I don't know why they are not sanctioned. They should be.