A rollback isn't a flat wall down and saying, “We're never going to talk to you again.” As I said earlier, I think the role is about constant pressure and setting constant expectations. It's about saying what the consequences are in terms of whatever aid is going forward or whatever trade deals we do, or saying, “Whatever you want from us, this is what we want from you.” A lot of the time, these conversations tend to be very one-way in terms of “This is what we're going to give you”, but I think as it relates to women, there needs to be a lot more of saying, “These are the strings that come with it”. I don't think it's wrong to say that these are strings, and they apply specifically to how women are treated and how they're part of the decision-making process.
I had a fairly short time, so I focused on education because that's the foundation for everything, but as you get into the higher levels, you move more toward the decision-making process. That's where there can be an impact. You can say, if you're going to meet with someone and three other decision-makers that you want one of them to be a woman. Those are the kinds of things that move it forward. They may do it grudgingly at first, but then you get the woman in the room and it goes from there.