Since around 2010, Canada officially has had a controlled engagement policy. In a way, those sanctions don't necessarily have a huge punch, because the real economic impact was small. Only a few hundred thousand dollars' worth of trade was going into North Korea from Canada. What we can do, though, is enable things, such as allowing humanitarian aid or organizations like ours to get more access into North Korea, thus allowing more exceptions for things like education, or for people who want to do things like bringing information into North Korea that helps change minds and expose North Koreans to information they might not normally have access to.
There are also opportunities through educational exchanges. At UBC there's a professor who brings six North Korean professors here every year so they can learn about pedagogy here in Canada. They go back and share that with their students.
So Canada is in a way making that impact, but in terms of the refugee issue, though, this is our primary focus right now, because there is a need to help these North Koreans. We need this consent essentially to allow North Koreans to have this option to come to Canada and to allow Canadians to help enable that.