I think there is another aspect, which is that it slowed the rate of public executions in China. Again, these are prisoners who are on death row. It appears to have had an effect on slowing down that rate. Supposedly they are closing some of the labour camps, although we don't actually see a sign of a lessening of the overall population in Laogai if you put together everything: prisons, labour camps, black jails, mental hospitals, and detention centres. So in fact it's a kind of reorganization.
But these clearly seem to be oriented towards western consumption. One of the problems we've had in this—if you think of it as an activist struggle of some kind—is that some doctors look at this and just say, “Well, nobody should be executed for their organs, period”. Others are looking—and I guess I'd put myself in with Kilgour and Matas, who are much more concerned with prisoners of conscience. We really think this steps over a very serious line.
In Europe, because they're very against the death penalty, they often equate Liaoning province and Texas as being practically the same thing.