Okay, that's helpful.
This raises a question. Given China's size and influence and the fact that other countries, the entire world community, are not going to be as confrontational with China over this or any other abuse that the PRC regime engages in, as they would be vis-à-vis virtually any country in the world, we can only influence them by causing them to see that it is not in their interest and making them voluntarily decide to change their practices. So this raises the question: is this whole organ harvesting industry seen, in your view, as a key state interest by the people in the regime itself who are capable of making change? Is it what we would assume they would regard as a key state interest that can't be changed, such as the one China policy for example, or is it a peripheral activity that would be judged non-essential under the right circumstances?
I'd actually be interested in both your answers, but I see, Mr. Gutmann, you'd like to start.