I missed some of the question, but I would like to mention one thing, which is that in the political prison camps, as some argue, you cannot get out alive. When people hear about political camps, they always talk about the Yodok camp, but Yodok is a sort of re-education camp. That's why there have been some survivors of that camp.
Some people have been released by the regime, but unfortunately now there are no survivors from those political camps, because the North Korean regime executed those people. That's why we don't have those survivors. Mr. Shin's recanting of his story is based on that reality.
If the North Korean regime is willing to dismantle their political prison camps, if they have a list of people they're willing to release, if they're willing to do that, they should show us that list.