When it comes to other countries putting pressure on countries with human rights problems, the reason it works presumably is that even dictators and abusers of human rights care about the world view. They get shamed. That's one of the reasons the Obama administration pulled back on the sanctions.
At the last meeting we were told by witnesses they believed the international community was on the verge of success with the sanctions, and they were about to do their job, when they pulled back. One of the reasons given is if we isolate them, then the shame doesn't work. It only works if there's a relationship.
I want to get your comments on that balance between having a relationship and where the shame works. If you go really far, and the shaming is high and you don't talk anymore, now you don't have the relationship for it to have an effect.