Yes, it is a difficult and long-term dialogue. Often, and especially in Africa, violence and torture are used as investigative methods, simply because there is no other way to find evidence. We see that very often.
There should be several levels of intervention. First, people are not aware of existing obligations and laws. We absolutely must engage the authorities on those issues. We must also try to work with the high-level authorities and grassroots authorities. Sometimes, we may not have a very strong commitment at the national level, but we can still work at the grassroots level with the local authorities. We must try to create a dialogue about the obligations and legislation in place.
Our work with the authorities is a commitment throughout the stages of implementing our projects. This is not just a matter of dealing with a particular player outside our interventions. From the outset, we are also trying to forge ties and build relationships between state authorities and civil society actors.