Before the oil came along.... When we first started going, there wasn't oil. Everybody was talking about fish. They were talking about minerals, and they were talking about how it could be the breadbasket of Africa. Then oil came along and just sucked all the air out of the room.
Yes, the potential is there, and it's huge. There's even a London group called CEDASS that goes in around Juba and does farming operations. These kinds of things do have an effect. What you're seeing here now is that it's not just a famine or climate change moving into.... The seasons are different than when we first started going there. The rains arrive later. There are all these difficulties.
It's true that people can't afford farming implements in the markets. Inflation has gone up and everything else. Even though they could farm, they can't because they can't get the right stuff to do it with. Once again, it is a development issue. It's not just an economic issue. People are ready to go and they're ready to work—that has been their history—but they can't get there because they don't have the tools.