Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll get right to it.
I'd like to ask my first question to either Mr. Gillard or Ms. Dovey.
With regard to the work that is done through the NCPs, we understand that these are actually processes that are voluntary. I just want to clarify that. It isn't that companies are not penalized for causing harm but for refusing to engage in the dialogue.
Maybe you could just expand on that a bit because we all recall the one example of a Canadian company that was faced with the prospect of penalty. At the time the NCP declared, in terms of the refusal on the part of the company to partake in dialogue with regard to some allegations asserted about the way the company's practices had attributed to 83 deaths, that it was going to be taken into consideration that they wouldn't partake in the dialogue. It's not really about the harm that's caused; it's the process.
I would like you to talk about that so that on the record we understand this process.
Then my next question will be for you, Mr. Pesce.