Right at the beginning, I asked about the danger that things simply get pushed further and further down the supply chain, and there's always going to be a level of opacity. I think that maybe we got a partial answer to that when Ms. Becker talked about getting a kind of fair trade certification.
Is having some version of fair trade certification the way to resolve the problem that you can always go down one more step to one more middleman and can no longer tell whether or not forced labour was being used?