[Witness spoke in Uighur, interpreted as follows:]
I'd like to add something and ask a question, if I may.
First, I was somewhat of an interpreter. I'm fully bilingual. I speak Chinese fluently. I was a manager making roughly $2,000 a month. My circumstances were good. Did I need some sort of degree?
Second, my father, who was retired, was fluent in Chinese. He had a degree. Did he need another degree of some sort?
These are intellectuals, business people, relatively wealthy people and the like. So I ask you, do people like that need a degree?