In Norte de Santander, there is an area called Tibú, which was also mentioned by another panel member, and Catatumbo north of Norte de Santander in the border region. That is a zone for coca plantations, and there's a presence of at least five different armed groups. It is an area that sits right on the border and has an official border crossing. It is one of the zones where refugees and migrants are coming in. It's an increasing concern.
There are disappearances. People are telling us what has happened. Women were kidnapped. People had to pay, and they lost all their luggage. Basically, the border is not controlled by either of the two governments. There was also a Human Rights Watch report a few months ago stating that the entire border region is controlled by the ELN, one of the oldest guerrilla groups in South America.