Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to our witnesses.
Ms. Garcia, if I could, I'd like to continue by asking you some additional follow-up questions.
First, I want to get a sense of the nature of migration. Clearly, if we take the last number of years as a whole, people have on net been leaving Venezuela—about five million in total. We're heard from previous witnesses that there are people returning to Venezuela, but I got the impression there are also still people trying to leave Venezuela. One of our witnesses last week talked about 100 different points where they're illegally crossing the border into Colombia, and in some cases putting themselves in considerable danger.
Are both flows happening at the same time? What is going on?