I struggle with that, though, because it doesn't seem that Putin is responding very well to direct pressure. In fact, we have heard from Save Ukraine that the Russification of Ukrainian children has increased since the ICC put forward the arrest warrants. I'm worried that Canada doesn't have the capacity to apply that direct pressure or that the Russian Federation is in fact not listening to that direct pressure. I'd love some further comment on that.
You talked about working with CSOs. Is working with Russian Federation CSOs a reasonable approach, or should that not be happening?