[Witness spoke in Ukrainian, interpreted as follows:]
I would also like to add to what Mykola said. In the case of my children, they were trying to convince them that their father would not be able to collect them. They told them that your father will not be able to reach you in such a short time. You have to make a decision. You should accept the offer of being placed with a foster family or going to a specialized educational facility.
The list they had was 31 people. They made sure that they would not cross paths with other children. They were isolated. They were there on a special program, isolated so they would not intersect with other children who were at the same camp, because there were other children there as well. They prevented them from communicating, and they were only able to see and maybe to talk to each other through an open window. That's what happened with my oldest son as well.