We have evidence of both, but if we look at the mapping of crimes committed on the occupied territories against civilians, we understand that once again there is a systematic policy of persecution, because the crimes committed against civilians during occupation mostly were aimed at breaking the will of Ukrainian people. These crimes were committed to show others, to threaten them and to keep them silent and, as we say, to put them on their knees.
That's why the commission of such crimes is so, I would say, systematic, and we have a diversity of crimes committed against the civilian population.
I can give several examples. We work with survivors in the region of Bucha, for example. During the occupation, in one case there was a father walking down the street with his teenage son to get humanitarian aid from the city council where volunteers had gathered it. They were stopped by two Russian servicemen and were put on the ground. The father was killed intentionally in the presence of his son. The servicemen also fired shots around the son who was lying there, just to threaten him with being killed.
In a different case in the same place, they entered a private building where a family—wife, husband and her father—were living. They tried to convince these people that they came, for instance, to “liberate” them, and when Ukrainians, our people, started to say they didn't need any liberation and to just go away and leave them alone, they killed the man, the husband, in the presence of his wife. Then twice they pointed a gun at her and imitated killing her. Only after her father asked them to leave them alone did they escape from this building. They waited until Bucha was liberated by the Ukrainian army to come back and to bury the body of her husband.
We have a big variety of such cases. I can tell you about a lot of them, but it's important, as evidence, to point out that in one small town they committed different types of crimes, just to terrorize the local population.