Evidence of meeting #51 for Subcommittee on International Human Rights in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was iranian.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Nazanin Afshin-Jam  Human Rights Advocate, As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Danielle Widmer
Arash Sobhani  Musician and Producer, As an Individual
Atena Daemi  Human Rights Advocate, As an Individual
Hanieh Ziaei  Political Scientist and Iranologist, Raoul-Dandurand Chair, UQAM, As an Individual
Nazanin Boniadi  Human Rights Advocate and Actress, As an Individual

4:30 p.m.

Political Scientist and Iranologist, Raoul-Dandurand Chair, UQAM, As an Individual

Hanieh Ziaei

Okay. I'll try to finish quickly. My speaking notes were actually emailed to you, so this is all in that two-page document if members want to see it.

As I was saying, the Woman, Life, Freedom movement resulted in a series of arrests. We all know about the brutal crackdown. The regime now uses state-of-the-art technology and devices such as surveillance cameras for facial and licence plate recognition. Here again, women are the target, women who do not wear a hijab, which is mandatory in Iran.

State repression is multi‑faceted: It is physical, mental and psychological. Protesters are often violently dispersed using sophisticated technology such as tasers. These protesters are imprisoned in the Evin Prison, where political opponents, journalists, artists and activists are systematically persecuted, as we heard.

We mustn't forget about the gas attacks against schoolgirls in March 2023, further proof that the state's violence knows no bounds. We know of about 300 attacks on more than 5,000 young girls in 25 Iranian provinces. These attacks triggered panic attacks in both parents and students. In addition, many students complained of severe symptoms, which led to a wave of hospitalizations.

I'll stop there, because I'd like to leave more time for questions and answers. It's clear that the Iranian people are currently being subjected to a regime that governs by fear, corruption and oppression. Human rights violations are systemic and institutionalized. In contrast, we see the courage of these women, men, activists, artists and ordinary citizens who continue to inspire the world today, and we salute them.

I will close with a quote from Bertolt Brecht, who said, “He who fights can lose, he who doesn't fight has already lost.” I think that quote captures the spirit of many Iranians.

Thank you for your attention. I apologize again for the technical issues. I look forward to your questions.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Fayçal El-Khoury

Thank you, Ms. Ziaei.

I now invite Nazanin Boniadi, human rights advocate and actress, to give her presentation.

You have the floor for five minutes. Please go ahead.

4:35 p.m.

Nazanin Boniadi Human Rights Advocate and Actress, As an Individual

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, thank you for your attention on the deplorable human rights situation in my homeland, Iran.

In the last two years, Iran has faced an unprecedented political upheaval, quelled only after hundreds of protesters were killed, tens of thousands arrested and at least eight executed. These “Woman Life Freedom” protests were yet another reminder that the Islamic Republic is incapable of reform. Instead, it stays in power using a three-pronged survival strategy: repress, deflect and divide.

Repression is at the core of this strategy. The catalogue of abuses by the regime in Iran and around the world is well documented. The Islamic Republic holds the appalling record of having the highest per capita execution rate in the world and ranks 177th out of 180 countries on the world press freedom index.

As we've already heard, domestic repression includes censorship, blinding, rape, torture and arbitrary detention. Ethnic, religious and sexual minorities face systematic persecution and discrimination.

It's a gender apartheid state that is waging a war on women and girls; despite the country's economic desperation, its parliament has allocated $2.9 billion to a government institution responsible for intensified hijab enforcement.

As we already heard from Mr. Sobhani, my fellow artists are also heavily targeted, including dissident rap artist Toomaj Salehi, who faces execution. After recently fleeing the country under treacherous conditions to avoid imprisonment, as Ms. Daemi also testified having to do, renowned filmmaker Mohammad Rasoulof issued a defiant message to the regime: “If geographical Iran suffers beneath the boots of your...tyranny, cultural Iran is alive in the [collective] mind of millions of Iranians who were forced to leave Iran” because of oppression and barbarity.

That barbarity, sadly, extends beyond Iran's borders. Human rights abuses are among the regime's primary exports, including assassination plots, abductions and the hostage-taking of dual and foreign nationals. It arms and finances violent militias throughout the Middle East, has enabled Russia's war against Ukraine and abets the world's most disreputable regimes, from Damascus to Caracas.

To avoid accountability for its abuses, the regime has mastered the practice of deflection. Canadians are painfully aware of the Islamic Republic's attempts to smother the truth and evade accountability following the IRGC's downing of Flight PS752, which killed 176 people.

Despite official denials and stonewalling, the UN fact-finding mission on Iran concluded that the Islamic Republic was responsible for the death of Mahsa Jina Amini in September 2022, and for crimes against humanity in the ensuing protests. One of those crimes was the murder of 16-year-old protester Nika Shakarami, who authorities claimed had killed herself. Leaked documents revealed she was sexually assaulted and killed by three men in the security forces.

The regime attempts to neuter UN bodies and lobby democratic governments to advance its hateful ideology.

Finally, the Islamic Republic consolidates power to foment divisions. To prevent any unified opposition, it relentlessly sows discord and promotes fear and mistrust among Iranian groups and dissidents worldwide. Their notorious cyber-army smears the regime's opponents to ensure no group or individual becomes powerful enough to challenge the status quo. The Islamic Republic's strategic partnership with other anti-American dictatorships aims to divide western alliances. It exploits political differences, anti-imperialist views and historical grievances to weaken global unity, maintaining enough support or neutrality to prevent a coordinated response to its actions. They attempt to exploit your democratic processes, institutions and media, covertly influencing your decisions, events and elections to suit their malign agenda and whitewash their crimes.

The antidotes to repression, deflection and division are resolve, accountability and unity.

What can Canada do? I'd like to offer three brief prescriptions.

First, to echo my fellow witnesses, Canada should immediately implement the motion to brand the IRGC a terrorist organization and expel Islamic Republic agents. In fact, rather than simply deporting them, I echo Ms. Afshin-Jam in encouraging you to exercise universal jurisdiction to prosecute those who have perpetrated atrocity crimes. You can also open structural investigations into systematic human rights abuses by the regime, which don't require the physical presence of perpetrators.

Second, you can support Iranian civil society by establishing a dedicated immigration stream to annually provide refuge to at least 200 Iranians fleeing the regime's persecution—people like Shilan Mirzaee, who faces deportation from Turkey back to Iran.

Finally, under Canada's feminist foreign policy, I urge you to support the inclusion of gender apartheid in the crimes against humanity draft treaty to hold accountable perpetrators of severe systemic gender-based segregation and discrimination.

We cannot change the character of the Islamic Republic, but we must resolve to counter it. While autocracies are often united in their domestic and global objectives, democracies are often not, which is why I urge a unified international response to increase the political cost to the Islamic Republic of its oppression and aggression and tip the balance of power in favour of Iranian freedom seekers.

In closing, I want to take a moment to address my fellow pro-democracy Iranians across the world: As long as this regime is united and we are divided, they will remain in power. However, in the words of our beloved Toomaj,“If you and I become we, we're unlimited.”

Thank you. I look forward to your questions.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Fayçal El-Khoury

Thank you, Ms. Boniadi. It's profoundly touching testimony. Thank you.

I thank all of you.

We will move to questions and answers.

I invite Mr. Genuis to take the floor for five minutes, please.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you, Chair.

There are so many great witnesses. I think I'll start with questions to Ms. Boniadi and ask other witnesses questions in other rounds or later in this one.

First of all, thank you for emphasizing your support for listing the IRGC as a terrorist organization. Parliament has passed motions, one unanimously just a couple of weeks ago, and then another one six years ago that passed with a majority. Unfortunately, they have not been implemented by the executive branch here, and we continue to reiterate calls for the IRGC to be listed as a terrorist organization.

Could you share more with us about specifically why this step is important? What impact would this have in terms of human rights in Iran and accountability for perpetrators of abuses? If there are any insights you can share from other countries that have taken action against the IRGC and the impact that those actions have had, we'd appreciate hearing it.

4:45 p.m.

Human Rights Advocate and Actress, As an Individual

Nazanin Boniadi

Thank you very much for the question.

If you look at, for example, Europe, you see they're moving forward with support for designating the IRGC. I think where there is a thriving and vibrant Iranian diaspora in places like Canada, where there's a democracy, the will of the people should be reflected in your policies. If you look at a Pew Research poll that was done in 2020, for example, you'll see that it showed that three-quarters or more of people in 14 advanced economies had a negative view on human rights in Iran. That was only exacerbated, I'm sure, by the “Woman, Life, Freedom” protests that resonated with people across the world, especially in democracies.

You'll see in the European Union, for example, that the European Commission president and members of the European Parliament are really pushing for this. If you look at places like the U.S., where there's already a designation that exists, you see that people are safer than in, say, the United Kingdom or Europe, where transnational repression really exists. We have the example of Iranian journalist Pouria Zeraati being stabbed outside his home in London, which is looking more and more like a contracted job by the Islamic Republic. If we want to keep people safe, we have to list the IRGC. The argument that dialogue, for example, is important is really something that we should move past. Forty-five years of dialogue has not kept people safe, and people are still being targeted.

I encourage you to please list the IRGC and listen to your vibrant and flourishing diaspora. I know that Canada has been a leader in many ways. You were the first to call the1988 massacre of thousands of Iranians what it was—a crime against humanity. I think you should lead in this and not wait for others to do it first.

Thank you.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you very much.

I want to follow up as well, but I'd first say that your point that drawing information from the United States—highlighting how people are safer as a result of this terrorist listing, that it makes a concrete difference in terms of combatting transnational repression and keeping members of the diaspora communities safe—is very important testimony. In a way it's obvious, but it's very important that you've put that on the record.

I want to probe the point you made about adding a recognition of gender apartheid in the crimes against humanity treaty. This is something that I'm very supportive of. We hosted an event this morning focusing on Afghanistan and gender apartheid there, so I know we're hearing these calls from the Iranian community as well as from activists seeing the situation in Afghanistan.

Could you share a little bit about the mechanics of that treaty process and what the Canadian government could do to help advance that recognition of gender apartheid?

4:45 p.m.

Human Rights Advocate and Actress, As an Individual

Nazanin Boniadi

I believe written testimony is being submitted, or has been submitted, by the strategic litigation project of the Atlantic Council. I urge all members to take a look at that. It details exactly how it's done.

I just want to reiterate, as Ms. Afshin-Jam also said, that when we define gender or when we add gender to the definition of apartheid, and it's not just race, we have the opportunity to then hold perpetrators to account. We can't do that right now. Countries like Iran and Afghanistan really do have not just the discrimination against women that exists in many places; this is severe, systemic segregation and discrimination that we're talking about. Once we have it in international law, we can then hold perpetrators to account. It's really as simple as that.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you.

Ms. Afshin-Jam, having mentioned the gender apartheid issue as well, could you add your thoughts on that?

4:45 p.m.

Human Rights Advocate, As an Individual

Nazanin Afshin-Jam

Absolutely. We now have 10 states supporting the consideration of gender apartheid in the draft crimes against humanity treaty. We would love to see Canada do the same. It's just Canada using the term—

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Fayçal El-Khoury

Can you wrap it up, please? The time is over, but I'll give you a few seconds to finish up.

4:45 p.m.

Human Rights Advocate, As an Individual

Nazanin Afshin-Jam

Okay.

I was just saying that we hope that Canada and parliamentarians start using the term “gender apartheid”, so that it becomes recognized, and support this campaign to end gender apartheid. With the leadership of Brian Mulroney at the time, Canada was behind convincing leaders like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher to get on board and champion the cause for ending racial apartheid in South Africa. We are hoping that Canada will also take the lead, because it really is about political will. If our parliamentarians want to see an end to gender apartheid in Iran, and if you collaborate with your European allies and Australian allies, we can make this happen. It's not just a symbolic gesture.

I think you want me to end it there.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Fayçal El-Khoury

Thank you, Madam.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

There will be just one more question from me tonight—

4:50 p.m.

Human Rights Advocate, As an Individual

Nazanin Afshin-Jam

I'd be happy to speak to you more about it afterwards.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you very much.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Fayçal El-Khoury

[Inaudible—Editor] one minute exactly.

Mr. Ehsassi, you have the floor for five minutes, please.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Allow me to start off by thanking all the witnesses for being with us today. They have certainly provided us with a lot of powerful testimonies.

Let me start by highlighting what Mr. Sobhani said, which is that Iran essentially stands apart from other countries.

As you know, currently the latest Nobel laureate languishes in jail. We also know that the country's most pre-eminent lawyer, Ms. Nasrin Sotoudeh, is serving a sentence. The country's most popular musician, Toomaj Salehi, has been sentenced to death. The same goes for the country's most prominent director. I recognize full well how dire and how appalling the human rights situation is in Iran.

Let me start with you, Ms. Daemi. We heard over the course of the past several days that the President of Iran has died, but we saw scenes of celebration not only within Iran but also in the diaspora community throughout Europe and North America. How do you explain that? Why is it that the President of Iran was such a detested individual?

4:50 p.m.

Human Rights Advocate, As an Individual

Atena Daemi

[Witness spoke in Persian, interpreted as follows:]

I would like to tell you what has happened recently.

The President of Iran was killed in an accident. As you know, he was one of the judges in the past who created so much trouble for Iranians by basically putting them to death. More than 1,000 people who were against the Islamic Republic unfortunately lost their lives due to the decision that was made by a group. One of the members of that group was the previous president of Iran.

In the past 45 years, he was the main character who was involved in damaging Iran, resulting in the trouble created for different Iranians. It is interesting to know that many people celebrated this accident in Iran due to the damage done to the society of Iran by him and others similar to him. In Iran, many people are happy because of that.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Thank you.

It's important to highlight that the latest polls from Iran suggest that 80% of Iranians would like to see nothing more than an end to this regime.

I would like to go to Mr. Sobhani. Mr. Sobhani, obviously Iranians are very much concerned about the death sentence for Mr. Toomaj Salehi. Would you mind explaining to us why Mr. Salehi, or Toomaj, as he's referred to, is so popular in Iran?

4:50 p.m.

Musician and Producer, As an Individual

Arash Sobhani

Thank you, Mr. Ehsassi.

Toomaj Salehi was one of the first Iranian artists who came out in support of the Iranian people when they took to the street. His lyrics, his background as a metal shop worker, and his upbringing where he came from made him very popular, because he came from a segment of society where he felt the pain and he knew what was going on in Iran. He was not some celebrity who was pampered or promoted through Iranian media, the regime's media, or any of that. He was really the voice of the people.

That's why people loved him so much, and that's why he was dangerous. The Iranian regime has created this amazing system of creating parallel establishments to the artists, to the intellectuals, to whatever you want—even the opposition. It creates something similar, and it has control over that. That's how it manages the celebrities and the messages that go to the people.

They couldn't do that with Toomaj. With this new wave of uprisings, many celebrities who earlier were not so vocal about the atrocities of the regime have also come out. There are so many football players in prison right now.

Actually, I was going to say this. The IOC, the International Olympic Committee, has a refugee team that's going to the Olympics in Paris. There are 32 members, and 14 of them are Iranians. This shows how many Iranians had to flee in the last two years because of the pressure they were facing. There are 14 Iranians in a refugee team that represents the whole world. This is very important.

I would like to add one more thing. I know my time is limited, but I was just going to the public safety—

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

It's time. We're going to have to go to the next member, but we'll come back to this question.

Thank you.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Fayçal El-Khoury

Thank you for your understanding.

I now to invite Mr. Brunelle‑Duceppe to take the floor for five minutes.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I don't have long, so I'll try to ask my questions quickly.

Ms. Ziaei, some say that the death of the president, who was playing more of a symbolic political role, will change absolutely nothing in Iranian politics. As an iranologist, do you agree with that, or do you think it will have a bigger impact?

4:55 p.m.

Political Scientist and Iranologist, Raoul-Dandurand Chair, UQAM, As an Individual

Hanieh Ziaei

Following the death of the Iranian president, we will need to monitor the way the elections are organized. As you know, the Iranian constitution provides that in the event of the death of the president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the vice-president becomes the acting president for up to 50 days. In this case, Mohammad Mokhber will fill that position.

The real question here is how they are going to run the election and who they will select as candidates for the public to vote on. As you know, the so-called election is a sham because the candidates are selected in advance. Low voter turnout is currently on the rise, further proof of how anachronistic the Islamic Republic of Iran is and how illegitimate, as has been pointed out.

Another thing to consider is that Mr. Raisi was using the presidency as a springboard to the supreme leader's seat. He was very close to the current supreme leader and was among the potential candidates to succeed him. Today, no one has unanimous support as the supreme leader's successor. The political class in Iran is very divided and chaotic, and its members have their differences. There will undoubtedly be a power struggle within the Iranian political class. That is what we will have to monitor following the late president's death.

It should also be noted that the Iranians were not immediately able to find the president after the accident. Keep in mind that Iran mobilized 73 rescue teams for several hours, but it was ultimately a Turkish drone that provided images of the president's location. That paints a pretty unflattering picture of the entire response to the incident. We know that the Iranian government is doing a very poor job of managing a lot of things, and this incident provides another example of truly poor management and poor internal planning. Iran called on Turkey and Russia for help with the search, which obviously speaks volumes and lays bare a lot of shortcomings within the Iranian state.