Evidence of meeting #56 for Subcommittee on International Human Rights in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was uae.

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France-Isabelle Langlois  Executive Director, Amnistie internationale Canada francophone
Yonah Diamond  Senior Legal Counsel, Raoul Wallenberg Centre for Human Rights

The Chair Liberal Fayçal El-Khoury

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 56 of the Subcommittee on International Human Rights of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format. All witnesses have completed the required connection tests in advance of the meeting.

I'd like to go over a few rules for participants.

First, please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking. All comments should be addressed through the chair.

For members in the room and on Zoom, if you wish to speak, please raise your hand. The committee clerk and I will manage the speaking order as best we can.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on June 4, 2024, the subcommittee is resuming its study of the current situation in Sudan.

I would like to welcome our witnesses. We have France‑Isabelle Langlois, executive director of Amnistie internationale Canada francophone, and Yonah Diamond, senior legal counsel with the Raoul Wallenberg Centre for Human Rights.

You'll be given a maximum of five minutes for your remarks, after which we'll proceed with a round of questions and answers.

Ms. Langlois, I invite you to make your opening statement.

Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

The interpretation is not working online.

The Chair Liberal Fayçal El-Khoury

Because of technical difficulties, I have to suspend the meeting for a few minutes.

The Chair Liberal Fayçal El-Khoury

I call the meeting back to order.

First of all, I would like to apologize for this technical problem. Really, we have no control over it. It can happen to any human being.

At least now we can get started.

You'll be given up to five minutes for your remarks, after which we'll proceed with a round of questions.

Welcome, Ms. Langlois. I invite you to make your opening statement. You have up to five minutes.

France-Isabelle Langlois Executive Director, Amnistie internationale Canada francophone

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for your invitation.

Amnesty International notes that, since April 15, 2023, tens of thousands of people have been killed or injured in deliberate and indiscriminate attacks in Sudan in battles between the Rapid Support Forces, the RSF, and the Sudanese Armed Forces, the SAF, which are fighting in the capital, Khartoum, and elsewhere in the country, including in the Darfur and Kordofan regions. The fighting followed months of tension between the two groups over the potential reform of security forces that was proposed as part of negotiations for a new transitional government, among other issues.

The FAS is led by General Abdel Fattah al-Burhan, while the RSF is led by General Mohamed Hamdan Dagalo, also known as Hemedti.

Given the scale of the fighting and the organization of both sides, the situation can be considered a non-international armed conflict under the Geneva Conventions. As a result, it is governed by international humanitarian law, which seeks to protect civilians and other non-combatants in armed conflicts. Amnesty International considers both the SAF and the RSF to be state forces. Various non-state armed and militia groups are also involved.

Dozens of women and girls have been raped by combatants on both sides. The conflict, which has been going on for more than a year, continues to spread across the country, and the city of El Fasher, in North Darfur, the only capital of the five Darfur states that is not controlled by the RSF, has been surrounded by them and their allies. The city has a population of over 1.5 million, including hundreds of thousands of displaced people who are now trapped and in danger of being subjected to large-scale violations. Hundreds of thousands of people could be killed.

Amnesty International has received reports of villages being set on fire, increased air strikes, bombing of residential areas, including the IDP camp at Abu Shouk, and aid delivery being blocked by both sides.

Following an investigation, Amnesty International was able to establish that all parties to the conflict are committing serious violations of international human rights and humanitarian law. Some of the violence committed by the parties to the conflict amounts to war crimes and even crimes against humanity.

Thousands of men, women and children are caught in the crossfire. Combatants on both sides, who often use inappropriate weapons and explosive ammunition with wide area effects, often launch attacks from densely populated residential areas. Looting of public and private property, including medical and humanitarian infrastructure, is exacerbating the already dire humanitarian situation. More than 70% of hospitals, if not 80%, are now non-functional.

More than 11 million people have been internally displaced, and an estimated 2.1 million have fled to neighbouring states, where they live in appalling conditions. More than 16,650 people have been killed since the conflict escalated. Millions of people are at immediate risk of starvation. The humanitarian crisis has been exacerbated by severe shortages of food, water, medicine and fuel. According to information made public in June 2024, more than 750,000 people are facing catastrophic levels of food insecurity, and 25.6 million are acutely food insecure.

Despite multiple ceasefire declarations, fighting has intensified. In July, Amnesty International released a report detailing a steady influx of weapons into the country, fuelling the conflict and the unprecedented humanitarian crisis. The arms embargo in Sudan is therefore totally ineffective.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair Liberal Fayçal El-Khoury

Thank you, Ms. Langlois.

Mr. Diamond, you have the floor for five minutes.

Yonah Diamond Senior Legal Counsel, Raoul Wallenberg Centre for Human Rights

Thank you, Chair.

Before I begin, I just want to say that I am replacing my colleague Mutasim Ali, a world-leading authority on the conflict and on accountability for Sudan, because a close friend of his was killed yesterday in El Fasher in north Darfur. This is the reality for all members of the community. I want to dedicate this testimony to Mubarak Musa Abu Sin, in his memory.

We are discussing an atrocity situation that is affecting the same groups and survivors of genocide from 20 years ago. There is no need, really, to mention at this point the extent of the humanitarian catastrophe. It's already well known. It's just that the world is largely turning away from the largest humanitarian catastrophe on earth. More than 10 million are displaced, and 26.6 million are facing acute hunger. That is more than half the population.

It's threatening to result in 2.5 million deaths by the end of this year alone from famine. By next year, we may witness the largest amount of deaths from starvation that we've ever seen in our lifetime. Some are even estimating that it will be up to 12 million or 13 million by next year under these current conditions. We have no time to waste. As the conflict continues, more will continue to be killed every day, as I mentioned from the daily experience of the Sudanese community.

In April of this year, at the Raoul Wallenberg Centre, my colleague Mutasim and I led an inquiry into breaches of the genocide convention in Darfur. Based on our conclusions, we found that the Rapid Support Forces have committed genocide against the Massalit in west Darfur. We found reasonable grounds to believe that they are targeting other non-Arab groups with the same intention. For instance, fighters on the ground are saying things like, “We decided not to leave any of them alive, not even the children”, referring to Massalit, or mocking dead bodies that litter the streets as “speed bumps” or “dirty dogs”. Many of these incitements are worse than in early 2000, the first genocide of the 21st century.

This is more than an internal armed conflict. We know that it is being fuelled by outside actors. We identified in our report that multiple outside actors are supporting the warring parties or fighters on the ground through smuggling arms or financing or political cover. The UAE is the largest backer and the most notorious. It was just confirmed, not only by the New York Times investigation but other sources, including the UN panel of experts, Amnesty, and other investigators, that the UAE is smuggling arms through Chad, along with heavy weaponry and drones. There are even hundreds of thousands of mercenaries who have been reported as fighting alongside the RSF. These are foreign mercenaries, so this is very much funded and fuelled by outside actors as well.

What can Canada do? Canada is not powerless to act, to intervene. Canada has a long tradition of civilian protection, peacekeeping and the responsibility to protect.

One, Canada can recognize this genocide for what it is. There has been no atrocity determination yet.

Two, it can invoke the responsibility to protect and it can lead on the protection of civilians through diplomacy and through dispatching a civilian protection mechanism in the areas where there are the most civilians at most risk.

Three, we can end all military exports to the UAE, pending a demonstrable halt to their arming of the RSF, the genocidal militia in Sudan, according to our treaty obligations under the Arms Trade Treaty and the Export and Import Permits Act.

Four, Canada has sanctioned only six individuals and entities connected to Sudan. This is the least out of any of Canada's main allies. It has yet to sanction 10 of the entities based in Sudan or the UAE that the U.S. has already sanctioned and that others have sanctioned. We will submit a list to the subcommittee afterwards.

Canada is well placed to take on a case unilaterally or with allies to the International Court of Justice against the UAE for complicity in breaching the genocide convention through the smuggling of arms to the genocidal militia. We are prepared to take on this case. We have pleadings already prepared and drafted.

Canada's immigration policy must respond to this unprecedented emergency. It must speed up the processing times to save at least some of the millions of Sudanese people displaced by this conflict. Not a single Sudanese displaced person has been resettled since the financially burdensome program was introduced in February, capped at 3,250 people. By contrast, as soon as Russia's war of aggression broke out, Canada launched an emergency family reunification program for Ukraine without eligibility or financial requirements and has approved nearly one million applications under this program.

These delays are costing lives, and we're talking about the most lethal famine in decades, genocide and the largest humanitarian catastrophe. I can't imagine a situation that demands an emergency resettlement program more. Instead, Canada has effectively closed its doors on Sudanese people and turned its back on Sudan. This widely disparate response to the war in Ukraine and to Sudan is a scandal of the first order and can only be explained by a discriminatory and, frankly, racist implementation of policy towards communities fleeing conflict.

Parliament should also revive the all-party save Darfur coalition, which was chaired by our founder, Irwin Cotler, or a broader coalition to prevent genocide and atrocity crimes. Canada can also monitor the incitement to genocide from here in Canada and implement the laws we have here to criminalize those acts. We can also ramp up humanitarian aid; only 50% of the required aid has reached Sudan out of the $2.1 billion that has been pledged. This can go directly, and should go directly, to the grassroots mutual aid initiatives on the ground or to emergency response rooms, which have only received 0.2% this year of the actual international aid.

Canada can lead on all these fronts and more.

Thank you so much for your time, and I look forward to the questions.

The Chair Liberal Fayçal El-Khoury

Thank you, Mr. Diamond.

Now we would like to start with our first round of questions. I would like to invite Mr. Ehsassi to take the floor for seven minutes.

You have the floor.

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Thank you very much [Technical difficulty—Editor] also to our witnesses. That was really effective advocacy.

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

There is a problem with the interpretation. Maybe the microphone wasn't on.

Anyway, I'm being told that the interpreter can't hear.

The Chair Liberal Fayçal El-Khoury

Is it okay? Can you check?

It's all good.

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Allow me to start off by thanking the witnesses.

I would like to point out, Mr. Diamond, that you were here in Ottawa the last few days before the summer recess for Parliament, being active. You did a media availability. Thank you so much for all the hard work you've put into this and for the excellent report that the centre has produced.

Allow me to start off with our witness from Amnesty International.

You did touch on the fact that the arms embargo is ineffective. I'm wondering if you could elaborate on that because, obviously, there's much more that we can do as a country. I'd be grateful if you could provide us with more guidance on the arms embargo.

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Executive Director, Amnistie internationale Canada francophone

France-Isabelle Langlois

As I said, Amnesty International investigated and released a report last summer on the flow and sale of arms to Sudan. We found that a number of states, including China and Serbia, were continuing to transfer weapons to Sudan's combatants in one way or another, despite the arms embargo. My colleague also talked about that.

The first thing Canada can do is support renewing the mandate of the ongoing fact-finding mission on Sudan at the United Nations. The second thing it can do is support extending the UN arms embargo to the entire country and advocate for its full implementation.

Many weapons or parts of weapons end up in Sudan directly or indirectly, including guns that are not weapons of war and blank guns, which are subsequently converted and end up in the hands of fighters on both sides.

We can send you the report that details all those facts.

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Thank you very much for that.

Mr. Diamond, given that there were so many external players involved in fuelling the dispute here, as was pointed out, whether it's China, Serbia, the UAE or Egypt, why are so many countries involved and engaged in the terrible things that are going on in Sudan?

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Senior Legal Counsel, Raoul Wallenberg Centre for Human Rights

Yonah Diamond

That's an excellent question.

I would say that these states are profiting from the suffering of the Sudanese people. For instance, for the UAE and for many countries, it's about seeking access to land and resources, the seaport. In particular, the gold trade is fairly large and active in the region. Gold is a major source of funding for countries like the UAE and Russia that are conspiring to basically extract it and to colonize and steal from the Sudanese people.

That's the way I would frame it. While Sudanese people are dying on a daily basis and being killed by these armed forces and militias, the enablers are getting away scot-free from their homes in Dubai, let's say, or Abu Dhabi, and they're actually making money off this because they're smuggling out the kind of natural resources and access that serves them.

I would say that's what makes it so pernicious, and that's what makes the initiatives that I mentioned before so important: going after, for instance, at the International Court of Justice or through sanctions, the entities and states that are benefiting from this conflict, to hold them accountable. This is a massive impunity gap.

It's not only about holding accountable fighters on the ground. It's about their enablers and sponsors. It's very clear that they would collapse and the fighting would end without the support of the UAE, for instance. It's the UAE more so than any other country, but as you mentioned, countries like Russia, China, Turkey, Iran and Serbia have also been identified as supporting it, though not to the same extent, in terms of finances, political backing, diplomatic cover, and of course, supplying heavy weaponry and drones. The UAE is now increasingly implicated in that and has to be called out, sanctioned and taken to court over these continued violations. Otherwise the war will continue.

These are the drivers of conflict, and that's why they are the key targets to look at.

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Thank you.

If you could provide any additional information as to how you think these other countries could be held to account, that would be very much welcome.

Mr. Diamond, you touched on another thing, which was the family reunification program that we announced last year. Just to let you know, the Globe and Mail, in February 2024, had a headline that read, “Canada prepares to welcome thousands of Sudanese.” However, there were very few Sudanese who came here. That is very disconcerting.

Do you have any recommendations on that particular front, just to make sure that Canada does open its doors to people who are fleeing the situation in Sudan?

4:35 p.m.

Senior Legal Counsel, Raoul Wallenberg Centre for Human Rights

Yonah Diamond

One of my recommendations is for Canada to introduce an emergency visa program in the same way as what was introduced for Ukrainians fleeing conflict, which has yet to be done. There's only this reunification program, which has been capped at 3,250 and has financial requirements and biometric requirements that the Ukrainian program didn't have.

We have the capacity. It's a matter of political will, at least as a signal. It's not a matter of resettling everyone. It's a matter of simply introducing a program that will allow for these processing times to be sped up so that the families that do have a chance to make it here can come in an expedited, immediate manner, because there are stories of families.... You can speak to Canadian families who have lost loved ones who were waiting due to IRCC delays.

This is costing lives, the fact that there is not yet a comprehensive emergency visa program for Sudanese Canadians.

The Chair Liberal Fayçal El-Khoury

Thank you, Mr. Ehsassi.

Thank you, Mr. Diamond.

I now invite Mr. Genuis to take the floor for seven minutes, please.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you to the witnesses for their powerful and sobering testimony.

Briefings that I received on the crisis in Sudan suggest that the ongoing violence, combined with the humanitarian consequences, makes this likely to be the worst humanitarian crisis since the so-called “Great Leap Forward” in China in the 1950s. You talked about a scenario of mass starvation, potentially up to 12 million or 13 million people next year. To put that in context, that is well over five times the total population of the Gaza Strip.

I don't think very many Canadians are aware of the particulars of this crisis. I think it would be deeply troubling to many Canadians to find out some of the facts you shared. Tens of millions of people are affected by acute hunger already and, at a minimum, this is a situation that requires our serious attention and intense resolve and response.

It seems to me, based on what I read in your testimony today, that a critical step forward is to do more to block the flow of arms into Sudan by shaming and penalizing any country or non-state actor sending weapons to either side. Just briefly, do both witnesses agree with that in principle?

4:35 p.m.

Senior Legal Counsel, Raoul Wallenberg Centre for Human Rights

Yonah Diamond

Yes, and I'm happy to elaborate on that.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

From Amnesty International, do you agree with that?

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Executive Director, Amnistie internationale Canada francophone

France-Isabelle Langlois

I'm sorry, but can you repeat your question?

I was just informed that my mic is not working well. I hope it is working now.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

The question was, do you agree that a critical step forward is for us to take action to block the flow of arms into Sudan, shaming and penalizing any country sending weapons to either side?

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Executive Director, Amnistie internationale Canada francophone

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you.

I'll proceed and dig into this a bit further. This is a proxy war, with different actors sending weapons in and waging a conflict at the expense of the Sudanese people. Many of the players are involved in fomenting conflict and violence in other parts of the world. Unsurprisingly, the governments of Iran and Russia are involved, but the UAE is a player that we have more of a relationship with, let's say, than some of the others. There are many very serious allegations about the UAE, such as that they are actively supporting the RSF, which is committing genocide. Also, there's some detailed analysis, in The New York Times, suggesting that the UAE is misusing the Red Crescent as a way of trying to cover for their efforts to smuggle arms into Sudan. My understanding of international law is that, if this is true, this would make the UAE guilty not only of supporting perpetrators of war crimes, but of war crimes themselves by misusing the Red Crescent.

Perhaps, Mr. Diamond, you can comment on the UAE's actions here and on what we can do to put maximum pressure on the UAE as part of a campaign to keep arms from flowing into Sudan.