From a strictly legal point of view, one can talk about some evidence that would perhaps establish that there is genocide. Even though I'm retired, I have to respect the fact that there are ongoing investigations by the Office of the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, so I wouldn't want to prejudge what conclusion might be reached at some point.
Of course, there are elements that the Honorary Consul of Ukraine in Montreal has mentioned. There are things that we have noticed. You can talk about genocide, but ultimately you have to prove it. The intentional element is really important, in terms of the purpose of everything we are talking about. There can be an intentional element to the rapes and everything that has been talked about without there being genocide per se.
All I can say at this point, Mr. Trudel, is that there are elements that need to be looked at, and it's worth doing so, obviously. However, we cannot prejudge the conclusion that might be reached by the Office of the Prosecutor, for example.