Evidence of meeting #36 for International Trade in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Dennis Seebach  Director, Administration and Technology Services, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Marc Toupin  Procedural Clerk
Mary McMahon  Senior Counsel, Legal Services Branch, Canada Revenue Agency
Michael Solursh  Counsel, Trade Law Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Cindy Negus  Manager, Legislative Policy Directorate, Canada Revenue Agency
Paul Robertson  Director General, North America Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Where would you fit in that subamendment?

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

The association would forward the information to the government.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. LeBlanc.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

Dominic LeBlanc Liberal Beauséjour, NB

Mr. Chairman, in an effort to be helpful again, I would consider this to be a friendly amendment. The wording may read, and obviously our legislative clerk will be able to help us.... But in my amendment, as such, the exact words read:

containing information limited to the charges payable under this section;

If Mr. Cannan wanted to move that subamendment, I would be amenable to having the words, “and such information to be forwarded to the Minister of Trade in a timely manner”.

Mr. Legislative Clerk, you might suggest the wording. If the intent is simply that the Maritime Lumber Bureau share this information, obviously I think that's a reasonable subamendment.

Does somebody want to suggest very simple language so that Mr. Cannan may be able to move?

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Cannan, is that wording what you had intended?

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Yes, in the spirit of cooperation, I think that's a very friendly amendment, but such information should be afforded to the Minister of National Revenue instead of to the government.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

You have a point of order, Mr. Julian.

2:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Could we have that in writing, please?

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

We could have it read to you.

2:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

No. Can we have it in writing, please?

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Yes, we can write that out, Mr. Julian.

I'll read it.

2:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

No, Mr. Chair.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Yes?

2:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Sorry, I need to have a written copy of this amendment.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

You will get one, Mr. Julian.

3 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Will that be before we consider it?

3 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

I just want to read it and make sure. I'll read it out and you see if this is what you had intended.

At the end of CPC-4 amendment, add:

and such information be forwarded to the Minister of Revenue.

Mr. Julian, you have a copy coming to you.

Do you want to speak to that, Mr. Cannan?

3 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

No.

3 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Okay. Would anyone else like to speak to it?

Yes, Mr. Julian, and Monsieur Cardin. Mr. Julian will go first.

3 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Mr. Cannan is moving his subamendment first, right? He wanted to speak to it.

3 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Yes, he did, and he spoke to it.

November 7th, 2006 / 3 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Well, I'm speaking against this subamendment, Mr. Chair.

Here, again, we have the punitive aspects of Bill C-24. We're taking sixty seconds for each of the 110 clauses that are in this bill. It's absolutely absurd. And now we have this subamendment that would essentially allow the Minister of International Trade to forward information to the Ministry of Revenue. We're talking about companies that have already been penalized and beaten up year after year. We now come to the point where this very punitive, draconian, dictatorial, mean-spirited regime is imposed on them, and what we are doing is forwarding information between the Ministry of International Trade and the Ministry of Revenue. It does not make sense, particularly given the punitive measures that we'll be going through later on this evening, punitive measures, case after case--18 months in jail for people who are just trying to run a softwood business. It's absolutely absurd.

3 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you, Mr. Julian. Your time is up.

Is there anyone else?

Yes, Mr. Cannan.

3 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Mr. Chairman, I have one minute left, so maybe I can just have our officials clarify how this proposal—

3 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Sorry. Actually, Mr. Cannan, Monsieur Cardin had requested to speak to this amendment.

Go ahead, Monsieur Cardin. My apologies.