Evidence of meeting #36 for International Trade in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Dennis Seebach  Director, Administration and Technology Services, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Marc Toupin  Procedural Clerk
Mary McMahon  Senior Counsel, Legal Services Branch, Canada Revenue Agency
Michael Solursh  Counsel, Trade Law Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Cindy Negus  Manager, Legislative Policy Directorate, Canada Revenue Agency
Paul Robertson  Director General, North America Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

No. I'm saying you have a choice. If you moved away from the recorded votes, there would be time for debate on the motions.

6:45 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

The recorded votes are important, Mr. Chair, so what you'll have to do is advise the committee that we cannot finish by midnight and that we should continue that work on another date.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

We have no alternative. The motion we passed goes to that.

Go ahead, Mr. Eyking.

6:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Eyking Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

Mr. Julian likes to be done at 8 o'clock. There was a suggestion brought before us this afternoon that we group some of these clauses together. We could expedite this process if we grouped some of these clauses together, debated them, and voted on them accordingly.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Eyking, let's move ahead on the votes. There wasn't a motion there.

We're now voting on NDP amendment 42.

6:45 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

This is absolutely absurd.

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. I have a point of order.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

A point of order, Mr. Julian.

6:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Mr. Chair, it's absolutely outrageous not to have this paltry little sixty seconds of debate that is incumbent on each of these amendments. This is absolutely beyond anything that has been conceived before.

6:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Julian, this is not a new point of order.

6:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

I would like a ruling from the head table as to whether—

6:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

We've already given you the ruling, Mr. Julian.

6:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

No, from the head table, Mr. Chair.

6:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

We are moving ahead.

6:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

I'd like you to consult the clerk as to whether—

6:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Shall clause 65 carry?

We'll go to the recorded division.

6:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

This is absolutely unbelievable.

(Clause 65 agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

6:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

This is Stalinistic, to say the least, Mr. Chair. This is absolutely unacceptable to not allow debate on any of the amendments, to not even consider the clauses. This is absolutely the most bizarre and inappropriate committee I have ever seen.

6:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

The motion is carried. We now go to clause 66, NDP-43.

Let's go to the recorded division.

6:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

This is absolutely--

6:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

That's an abstention again?

6:50 p.m.

An hon. member

Yes.

6:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall clause 66 carry? We'll go to the recorded division, please.

6:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

I absolutely refuse to answer. This is a complete betrayal of democracy.

6:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Another abstention by Mr. Julian.

(Clause 66 agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We are now at NDP-44 on clause 67. Let's go to the recorded vote.

6:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

A point of order, Mr. Chair.