As to the 15-year time period, what I'm basically saying is that the things we would have to change are out of our control as a company or as workers. They're more at a government level, the things that would have to be put in place to support the industry. Fifteen years may seem like a long time here in this room, but your first question was about Norway companies not being subsidized anymore, but they were. They were subsidized for a long period of time in which they built this killer machine, this monster, and we were left to starve, left with what we managed to keep going on our own. So now it's like you're going into the prize fight, and they're going to send in their 300-pound boxer and we're going to go in there at 165 pounds.
On April 2nd, 2008. See this statement in context.