On your question about the three generations, it's kind of amazing how fast things can turn. If you go back to my grandfather's days, they were coming out of the war, they were in a boom time, and there was so much work they didn't know what to do with it. Then when you step into my father's era, during the eighties and nineties, they were doing procurement for the government. There was quite a bit of work there. Then when you come into our era, the policies don't fit for government or industry. Everybody's kind of holding back on the work they need to do. Everybody knows the work's out there, but they're not actually moving forward.
That's kind of the overall view, that the work is there now but the environment isn't right to do it.