One important point of this debate for us as indigenous peoples and Afro-Colombians is that general issues have to be examined in relation to particular perceptions, the particular perception of peoples. So for us, not only have we had a right for development being recognized, but we also have cultural aspirations. We have rights in this area, too.
So there's a nuance here that's very important for us, particularly when you invoke only the right to development and the right to trade and you don't take into account particular rights derived from the culture of the local communities. This then opens the door to a whole set of issues that cannot be controlled or handled in any way.
I'm quite sure that in the particular case of Colombia, any company, whether American or Canadian, if they're going to speak openly and frankly with black communities and indigenous communities.... If they did, let's say, they could actually reach an agreement based on people saying, look, we're going to get gold, we have 500 years of experience in extracting gold, so we'll extract gold, we'll do it in such-and-such a way, and the benefits are going to be the following--