Mr. Chair, the point I'm making—and I hope Mr. Brison absorbs this because certainly the labour movement and labour representatives will be contacting him over the next few days—is to say that when every single labour movement that comes before this committee says very, very clearly that this issue of collective bargaining rights is fundamental, and that collective bargaining does not exist in Colombia when you have the ability, as paramilitaries have regularly, to kill those who are fighting for labour rights, that is a fundamental problem.
So we can throw around any types of terms that we want--