I totally agree with Mr. Cannis' intervention. The reality is that we heard from a number of union leaders. We heard from a number of union members, not only at committee here, but in the last Parliament as well; we also heard from union members and union representatives when we had committee hearings in Colombia in the last Parliament. We've heard and heard and heard....
What we have here, Mr. Chairman, is strictly a delay in the parliamentary process because we have two parties in this House who cannot get what they want by any means other than obstruction and delay. They do not believe in democracy; they fundamentally are against it. It doesn't work for them. When they're outvoted on that issue, then we have a conflict--