I don't have the figures to hand, but we put a figure on that impact at the outset, when we conducted the comparative economic studies. I should have brought them. Unfortunately, I can't give them to you. I'll be pleased to send them to you later.
I somewhat share your opinion; that is to say it is clear to us that the traditional method of starting bilateral discussions where certain sectors are first excluded would have been much more desirable. We very much regret that; that's obvious.
The negotiations are currently very transparent. We know exactly what Europe's sensitive points are, and Europe has a very clear idea of ours. Let Europe say, through the media, that it wants access to our cheese market and let Canada do virtually the same thing in Europe to assert its position; that's part of the game.
The Dairy Farmers of Canada isn't really entering into that kind of debate. We prefer to have good talks with the negotiators, to determine whether the positions put on the table reflect Canada's ambitions and ours, as an industry, that is to say that supply management must not be negotiated. The media world troubles me much less than if I learned one day that access to the milk or cheese market had been put on the table or offered by Canada. In that case, I would be very concerned, as Mr. Julian said. It would trouble me a great deal to know that Canada is trying to negotiate by opening up the cheese market, for example.