Evidence of meeting #6 for International Trade in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreement.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Don Stephenson  Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Lee Richardson

Welcome to this, the sixth meeting of the Standing Committee on International Trade.

Today we have the great pleasure of having the minister appear before us. As per our normal practice, we're going to ask the minister to perhaps read an opening statement, if he would like, and to keep it under 10 minutes if he can. Then I think we'll proceed to questions immediately thereafter, beginning with the party on my left. We'll do seven-minute rounds in the first round. If there's time for a second round of questioning, we'll go to five-minute questions.

I notice the minister is accompanied today by the assistant deputy minister of trade policy and negotiations, Don Stephenson. Mr. Stephenson, welcome back to the committee.

I take it that there will be one statement from the department read by the minister.

Mr. Minister, the Honourable Peter Van Loan.

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York—Simcoe Ontario

Conservative

Peter Van Loan ConservativeMinister of International Trade

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

This is my first appearance at this committee as minister, and I appreciate this opportunity.

I would also like to acknowledge the committee members here today, those from all parties, for their important work on trade issues.

Our government believes that free trade is the lifeblood of our economy. It of course represents fully two-thirds of our gross domestic product, so you really can't talk about the Canadian economy or economic recovery without talking about trade. That's why our government is putting such a strong emphasis on freer trade, an aggressive free trade agenda that will create jobs and foster economic growth.

Our government will continue to promote competition and provide more choice for Canadians during this time of fragile economic recovery. As the global economy continues to recover, one thing is clear: free trade and not protectionism is the key to long-term prosperity for Canadian workers.

Our government is eliminating tariffs for our manufacturers to get the machinery, equipment, and inputs they need to stay competitive. It includes a number of important free trade negotiations as well, including with the European Union, the most significant free trade initiative since the North American Free Trade Agreement.

But you cannot talk about trade in Canada without also talking about trade with the United States, our number one trading partner anywhere, by far, and a partner in supply chains for a number of key industries.

As this committee knows, our two economies are deeply interconnected. We are both stronger and more prosperous because of these strong links. Hundreds of thousands of jobs on both sides of the border depend on the free flow of goods, products, and services across our border every day.

Before the United States' recovery act took effect, our two nations enjoyed a relatively open trade in government procurement at the sub-federal level. Canadian suppliers have always been top notch competitors in the United States, going head to head with the competition in a number of sectors and winning. The result was a strong and unbroken continental supply chain. The Buy American provisions of the recovery act changed that. Those chains faced strains and breaks.

In our view, it made no sense for the United States to close its doors to Canadian suppliers for its government-procurement needs—especially at a time when our economies were struggling to recover. After all, in a time of recovery, it is essential to sharpen your competitive advantages. For Canada and for the United States, our bilateral commercial relationship—the largest of its kind in the world—is perhaps the biggest competitive advantage we have.

It came as no surprise that businesses on both sides of the border, as well as the provinces and territories and a number of state governments, called for an exemption for Canada from the Buy American rules in the act. The deal we negotiated is a big victory for Canadian companies and workers who rely on access to the American market today and in the future.

There are three parts to the deal. The first part of the agreement exempts Canadian firms and Canadian goods from the Buy American provisions applied to infrastructure projects funded by the recovery act. The waiver that Canada obtained is applicable in all 50 states, and we're confident it will mean jobs for Canadians in the months ahead. With stimulus funds under the recovery act available until the end of next September, significant opportunities remain for Canadian firms to participate in infrastructure projects being funded under the act in major American states.

The second element of the agreement is via the World Trade Organization's Agreement on Government Procurement. It provides permanent reciprocal access to sub-federal procurement for both countries. This will allow Canadian companies to compete in the U.S. market and will create jobs and prosperity for Canadians for years to come. This access means more wins for Canadian companies and more opportunities for Canadian workers.

The third element of the agreement is what I call future considerations, and there are two aspects to that. The first is a provision that should we face similar Buy American provisions in subsequent legislation, there is a commitment to have fast-tracked consultations within 10 days of a request whereby we could explore solutions similar to those in the existing Buy American agreement. The second element is a commitment between Canada and the United States to enter into negotiations this calendar year for a deeper and more profound long-term agreement on government procurement.

We think that Canadian workers and businesses can compete with the best in the world, whether on projects here at home, or in global markets like the US. They can win against the toughest competition. This agreement will help them.

Our embassy in Washington, D.C., and our consulates throughout the United States are now actively informing local governments and American contracting and distribution firms that Canadian companies can bid on contracts covered by this agreement. Our officials posted throughout the United States are constantly working to help Canadian companies tap into these opportunities. Thus, over both the short and the long terms, this is an important win for Canada.

In return, Canada is offering American firms temporary access to procurement contracts valued above $8.5 million of Canadian municipalities, some provincial crown corporations, and provincial agencies.

There are no negative measures here. The alternative was a protracted trade war of escalating protectionist measures. A war like that would end up costing jobs and hurting both economies, and I'm sure you would agree today that is the last thing Canada would need at a time like this.

l am happy to say that the provinces and territories feel the same way: they support the agreement. Major Canadian industry groups representing millions of Canadian workers support it, too. They understand that protracted trade wars do not create jobs and prosperity.

Canada's history, and certainly our experience with the United States, has been that jobs and prosperity are created by freer trade, not protectionism. That's why our government stood up for Canadian businesses and workers and negotiated this agreement. We are thinking about Canada's long-term game. We are thinking beyond emotional and shortsighted policies and the potential for retaliation. We are thinking about the potential for growth, and that is why we're moving forward on an ambitious trade agenda that will open more doors for our businesses, workers, and investors in the years to come.

I look forward to working with the members of this committee to do that and help create a more prosperous and competitive Canada for the future.

Thank you, and I look forward to any questions you might have.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Lee Richardson

Thank you, Mr. Minister. That was very helpful.

May I take this opportunity, through you, to thank your department for the excellent briefings we receive at this committee. The department has been very good about coming forward as we begin new topics. On these trade agreements in particular, it has been very helpful to us. On behalf of the committee, I thank you for that.

We're going to start the first round of questioning. This will be a seven-minute round for questions and answers.

Mr. Brison.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Thank you, Minister.

In the Speech from the Throne the government described the Buy American deal as “the recent agreement that gives Canadian companies permanent access to state and local government procurement in the United States”. Again, it said there would be “permanent access to state and local government procurement in the United States”.

Do you agree with that statement in the throne speech?

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

As I laid out, there are a number of elements to our agreement. One is the government procurement agreement of the WTO, and that is one element of what the throne speech was speaking about. The other is the future considerations, and these represent the balance of what we're talking about in the throne speech, and the hope of course that we can, through negotiating a deeper—

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Minister.

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

—long-term permanent agreement, extend that to include municipalities—

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

We're short of time today, Minister.

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

You asked for an explanation.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Could you give a yes or no answer? Do you agree with the throne speech when it describes the agreement as one that “gives Canadian companies permanent access to state and local government procurement in the United States”?

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

We have a measure of permanent protection. Obviously, the WTO GPA protection is not comprehensive, just as what we have offered on the GPA side is not comprehensive.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Okay.

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

Of course, in order to have full access of the type we would like, including to local governments, we're going to have to succeed in those future negotiations, which this agreement covers and creates a path for.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Minister, respectfully, it's a yes or no answer.

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

It's a complicated answer.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

No, no.

Well, okay, but the throne speech says specifically that the recent agreement gives Canadian companies permanent access to state and local government procurement in the U.S.

Does it?

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

We have permanent access, under the government procurement agreement, to 37 states, subject to certain caveats and carve-outs.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

What about local procurement?

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

Well, local procurement and broader procurement through the states, hopefully with fewer carve-outs, is covered by the future considerations aspect of the agreement, that is, the commitment to enter into negotiations this year for a deeper permanent agreement on government procurement. I think the agreement does have to be seen in its entirety.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

So you don't have permanent access to local procurement.

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

Well, we have permanent access to sub-federal procurement in the sense of the states, subject to the fact that it's for 37 states—

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Minister, I'm asking if the government's agreement has secured permanent access to local government procurement, yes or no.

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

Not yet. We have to do that in the future.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

So you're saying that the throne speech, which states specifically that the agreement “gives Canadian companies permanent access to state and local government procurement”, is wrong.

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

No, I say that it has to be read in the entirety of what this agreement represents, including the commitment to negotiate and enter into negotiations for a deeper agreement on procurement for the future.