Right, and I hope I didn't say there are no non-tariff barriers. I hope I said there are fewer than people may think.
Yes, in certain cases there are non-tariff barriers where the procedures are more complex and can be interpreted to be preventing imports, unless you look around and ask whether everybody else has to go through those procedures domestically. Are they only being set up to prevent foreign goods from coming in, or is that how the Japanese do business? In many cases it's how they do business.
To me, a non-tariff barrier is something that's being used to prevent imports from getting in and to protect domestic suppliers, and that other domestic suppliers aren't being required to do. You have to be very careful to analyze that and understand it. But in some cases, yes, there are blatant non-tariff barriers. I'm not saying they don't exist, but they're not—