Evidence of meeting #59 for International Trade in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was indian.

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Eugene Beaulieu  Professor of Economics, University of Calgary
Jacques Pomerleau  President, Canada Pork International
Sachin Mahajan  Managing Director, Mergers and Acquisitions, Canaccord Genuity Corp.
Ron Bonnett  President, Canadian Federation of Agriculture

5:15 p.m.

Managing Director, Mergers and Acquisitions, Canaccord Genuity Corp.

Sachin Mahajan

Absolutely. The two other jurisdictions we have done business with are China—I don't know if you can really call it an emerging market anymore or not, but we could call it an emerged market—and the Middle East. There are a couple of points there.

Each of these jurisdictions has its own unique challenges. On the Chinese side, the language barrier aside, even their legal system is very challenging. Their state-owned intervention creates a big predicament for Canadian companies going there. It's a positive as well as a negative, because the financing gets easier and the licensing gets easier, but then again you're in bed with a state-owned entity, which is not typically the way we do business here. Even if you are with a “private entity” there, it will still have some state-owned backing. That always becomes a challenge in China, I have found.

On the Middle Eastern side, their issues are more to do with general perception, what the people want, how to keep the people happy within the state. It's not driven by a business element. They have a social and a business element to it, which are very different from the situation in India. In India, if you are dealing with a private enterprise, there is a profit motive and a transaction motive. In the Middle East, it will be more about, “If I am doing this, how do I look in the eyes of the ruling party, or the sheik, or whoever the supreme head is?” That consideration is paramount within the actual business transaction.

Every jurisdiction has its own unique elements. India, in some ways, is much easier to do business with. On the other hand, you find an equal number of challenges. But I find that on balance, if I had to rank them in terms of ease of doing business, it would probably be Middle East, India, and then China, in my book.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

How do we get Canadian business then to invest in India? You say there are opportunities. Other than with the FIPA, are there some ways we can break down those barriers?

5:15 p.m.

Managing Director, Mergers and Acquisitions, Canaccord Genuity Corp.

Sachin Mahajan

I think it's more a question of a mindset change. I've always found that the U.S. firms are greater risk-takers. We Canadians are generally more conservative. In order to do business in India you have to—

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

I just want to clarify....

5:15 p.m.

Managing Director, Mergers and Acquisitions, Canaccord Genuity Corp.

Sachin Mahajan

You just have to be....

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

You just had to get into the politics, didn't you?

5:15 p.m.

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5:20 p.m.

Managing Director, Mergers and Acquisitions, Canaccord Genuity Corp.

Sachin Mahajan

I don't want to be too controversial, but I can probably do that. I'm a new Canadian. In general, I have found that in a boardroom in Canada, you have to lay out the risks and benefits, and obviously the risks generally outweigh the benefits in the short term.

I think Mr. Shory mentioned that you have to take a longer-term view. There's no question in my mind that if you have a one-year or three-year time horizon, doing business in India will be next to impossible and frustrating. If you have a five- to 15-year time horizon, I think you will do wonders for yourself. You can ask people like SNC-Lavalin. They had the same experience. If you sit down with the CEO of McCain, he will tell you exactly the same thing: the first few months or years were absolutely painful, but since then it's been phenomenal.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Thank you very much to our witnesses, Mr. Bonnett and Mr. Mahajan, for coming forward. Thank you for your testimony and for your answers to our questions. They've been very valuable and very interesting .

With that, we will move in camera.

[Proceedings continue in camera]