In the case of ATI, I don't want to oversimplify the reason for their being very competitive in this market. I think they've been active in this market longer than we have, so we have some catching up to do. They have put in place the infrastructure as well to support their business. They have a training centre in Brazil. That's an important piece as well. I think we need to bridge the gap and keep on working hard to be more competitive in the region.
What I was referring to is that in the sectors in which we do business, there is often very strong government involvement. The government can be our customer in the case of rail, most times.
In the case of aerospace, we can play different roles. Regulator is one, of course. In some cases we're competing for business with state-owned enterprises, carriers that are state-owned, that are flag carriers of countries and owned by the government. In some cases we're seeing new entrants into the aerospace business—China and Russia—and we're facing competition from state-owned manufacturers that get very strong support from their government.
In order to level the playing field, what I'm talking about is economic diplomacy at the highest level, because whether we like it or not, this is what is expected, by our customers, by foreign governments, because in our deals, in the sectors in which we operate, constantly business interests rub shoulders with public policy and sometimes with politics as well.
In order to level the playing field—and we very much appreciate all the work currently being done by the government to ensure that we get this level playing field—sometimes we need ministers to express political support for a campaign we have going on abroad. Minister Fast, Minister Baird, and the Prime Minister in some instances, have been extremely supportive of the interests of Canadian firms, including Bombardier.
This is what I was referring to. Sometimes we work with our ambassadors abroad; we work very closely with the trade commissioner service to gather intelligence, to compare notes with them. But I was referring to high-level political support in the sectors in which we operate.