Well, combined between exports and imports, in 2012 it was over $600 billion. But in exports, no, it wasn't $200 billion; it was over $325 billion.
Do you know what it was in 1988, when we started the free trade deal, just our exports? It's not fair because you don't have these stats in front of you, I'm sure, so let me help you. It was just over $81 billion in Canadian exports. We've raised it 400%. I'm not even talking about imports in this chain-link economy that we have between the two. In fact, what we've done is we've had a 400% increase in exports alone from Canada to the United States. Yet I hear, from what you say, that you don't support NAFTA, and that you don't think Europe, which you rightly said was the world's largest economy, and the access that Canada has, as the only country in the G-8 that will have a link between the two most significant economies in the world.... We've proven with NAFTA, that you don't support.... We've increased our exports—and, again, ignoring imports for a moment—by 400% because we removed those barriers.
I will be one to say that it isn't always the gentlest and smoothest relationship with the United States, but we've done that, and that has meant jobs for Canada. When we link it to Europe, and that opportunity for the world's largest economy.... By the way, $17 trillion is the number, just to give you a sense of the size of that economy.
Without you having those numbers in front of you, what I've heard you say, and what I've heard Mr. McBane say, is that the job creators, the ones who are, frankly, going to be the ones that keep you and Mr. McBane, and all of us as Canadians employed and create new opportunities...those are the agreements that you don't support. My colleague was trying to get a sense from both of you.