In the spirit of that, the proceeding questioner, my friend, Mr. Sandhu, asked a question about where the losers are. I want to give you some comfort, gentlemen. We just this past week had the European Union ambassador to Canada in front of this committee who was asked that very question: who are the losers? Obviously, if there are winners, who are the losers? She said emphatically, on behalf of Canada, there were no losers.
I think what I hear from both of you is that the spirit of trade makes it such that the consumer's the winner because of the potential for better pricing, and high-skilled labour is the winner because we have the opportunity to put that forward and show what we can do worldwide. What I've heard from both of you is that you're not afraid to compete.
Mr. Tam, you talked about your innovation hub as being an example of where those things just work, that they are the basis on which innovation companies and start-ups have a place to go. Do you think, in conjunction with how we can compete in Europe, that's part of the future, those types of hubs?