We have seen significant job creation. If you look at some of the aspiring nations like China, it was estimated that about 20 mills kept running through the downturn, representing many hundreds of jobs as a result of that 19% of shipments that I talked about that are flowing into China. There's real experience. Korea would be another market where we've seen excellent shipment growth—
On February 4th, 2014. See this statement in context.