Very nice car, the ATS. That's not a formal endorsement, by the way, Chair. I just thought I would share that with you.
I've listened to testimony from all three of you, and I appreciate it very much.
Mr. McGuinness, you talked about the fisheries and why it matters in terms of stabilizing your business.
Mr. Dias, I've heard you talk at some length. I appreciate your candour, so I'm going to be candid back.
The pork industry supports this free trade deal. The beef industry does. The fisheries industry does. The lumber industry.... Provinces and territories are supportive. The job creators of this country are supportive. The ones that your industry....
And frankly, to be fair, not just the auto manufacturers but also all the supportive industries in manufacturing that go along with that, and all the lifestyles that means...your role is an important one.
Where I get confused is this. You were asked a few moments ago whether you supported any deals. You said you didn't support free trade with the United States. Then you said you didn't support NAFTA. Frankly, I'm looking back at something, and it is kind of interesting, because actually it's one of your predecessor organizations, CAW, back in April 2012. It's the union that did this. And I apologize. You may not have a copy of this. But I'll just read from the text, because I think it is important. It's on page 39 of “Re-thinking Canada’s Auto Industry”. This is a quote, “Cease free trade negotiations with the EU, Japan, Korea, and Thailand.”
You've already mentioned the United States. You've already mentioned NAFTA. We're committed to having a rules-based system that, frankly, ensures fairness. It ensures labour rights among the countries we do free trade deals with. And we have done quite a few. We talk about environmental laws to go with that, all that it implies.
But it strikes me that the real answer.... And I say this.... I'm not sure if it's a philosophy; maybe you can educate me.
But why is it there's not one agreement, ever, that your union has supported? Please help me understand that.