Mr. DiCaro, this is not going to be a debate, but it strikes me that we've all lived through the worst global recession of our lifetimes. No one has gone through a worse time than we went through in 2007-08.
You also know that the integration of the auto in Canada and the United States is very significant, and we know what that cross-border impact means. I come from southwestern Ontario and believe me I have a strong sense of what it means.
The tragedy in that, and I don't get this—sometime I'd like to have a private chat with you, Mr. Dias—is not just automotive, but to your earlier point, so many organizations in southwestern Ontario: London, Strathroy, St. Thomas have been absolutely decimated and the common denominator, and I don't get it, was the CAW. I got so frustrated at one point that I said they're really good at negotiating severance packages, but they're not very good at negotiating employment packages, quite frankly.
Those are my people. Those are the people who live in my riding and in my city and they're your people as well. What I don't get is why there can't be more opportunities. I apologize if this isn't quite getting back to this deal, but it comes back to the point of embracing trade, finding the positives from it. We have pretty bright people on this side as our guests. Why can't we find ways to make it work for Canada's sake, to have a rules-based system that makes it work, because we trade with every country in the world already?
When we trade—