Access to capital is a problem regardless of whether you're exporting or not, especially as you grow beyond the start-up stage. I think that for start-ups there is a variety of different formats now from which people can potentially get funding. It's still tough, but at least there are some programs out there.
It's when you get to that next stage of growth—sometimes moving into an export market can be that next stage of growth—that it can be very difficult. This is where places like EDC and BDC can certainly play a role.
To be honest, I think EDC is perceived as being an organization that helps larger firms more than smaller firms; BDC is less so. I mean, BDC does have a mandate to help small businesses.
Again, I think it's a perception problem. EDC will provide funding and financing to smaller firms as well, but I think people are just not aware of them, and if they are they don't feel they're big enough. That's part of the issue we're grappling with here, that small exporters don't feel that government cares about them so they have to do it on their own. Again, that doesn't mean that's true; it's the perception that exists.