I appreciate your comments, Mr. Clutterbuck. In my life before being an MP, I worked in a steel and aluminum foundry, so I know how well-skilled those workers are.
You have given us a lot to think about today. I think at the core of it are the jobs that you're working hard to protect. I've heard you, Mr. Young, and I think it's really important that we care about the impact on both sides of the border, because we know how highly integrated this sector is. The thought that there is no impact on the U.S. is false, and we know that, so it's good to hear the perspective that Americans are losing jobs too because of the imposition of these tariffs.
With the situation we currently find ourselves in, many of you have talked about employees and the situations you've had to use, basically having down weeks and reducing employees. I want to ask you specifically about the programs that are being offered by ESDC, whether you have accessed those at all, and what those look like to you as employers.