Yes. Thank you for sharing that.
Gerald, I'm going to come back to you. I want to finish on what Terry was talking about, your programming. That seems to always be the issue. In Niagara I think we have about 1,000 manufacturers, but the average size of most of them is fewer than 10 people, so I think Gary's company would be larger than most.
This always is about resources and all those things. There are many programs out there. I am encouraged to hear, even if it's informally, because I have a soft spot for business people—I think “just doing it” sometimes is better than reading a textbook, because things change.... You talk about that constantly. It depends on the market, so one program may not work.
Just talk a bit more. Are you still mentoring and still doing those things?