Now we're going to move on to Madam Ludwig.
I know it's difficult sometimes. Our main objective as a committee is to listen and extract as much information as we can from the witnesses and to try to stay away from a debate with them. There's nothing wrong with making suggestions to our witnesses about information that's out there, but I encourage you not to have that debate going on. It makes it very awkward for the witnesses.
Madam Ludwig, go ahead, please.