I had already made reference to a long-standing MOU that EDC and BDC have in terms of referrals. We also have our presidents speak very regularly in terms of having a president-to-president discussion and action items flowing from there in terms of how we can continue to better our relationship and make sure that our various clients and prospects understand how our various products are complementary to each other.
There is a healthy middle ground where BDC has, for instance, some financing to support expansion into foreign markets, but it's still around the space that we operate in, which is term lending for specific projects. We have other initiatives, such as a collaboration with EDC and Global Affairs Canada on a tariff finder tool, so we're also in the information-sharing space as well.