Okay. As I mentioned, if experienced traders like CAFTA are thinking in these terms, I'm wondering what help is required by small businesses.
Anyway, in one of the previous committee meetings, we had, I think from the Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada, someone who commented that instead of unilateral trade agreements, say, with Indonesia, it would be good for Canadian supply management companies—the companies that are involved in supply chains—to have a regional agreement. Instead of focusing on Indonesia, it may be good to have a free trade agreement with a regional group like ASEAN. I know it may be difficult to achieve that. Maybe the process of a free trade agreement with Indonesia can be a stepping stone towards a free trade agreement with ASEAN. However, doesn't it look good to have region-based, multilateral agreements rather than unilateral free trade agreements?