Evidence of meeting #26 for International Trade in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was businesses.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Steve Verheul  Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Sara Wilshaw  Chief Trade Commissioner, Assistant Deputy Minister, International Business Development, Investment and Innovation, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Katie Curran  Chief Administrative Officer, Invest in Canada Hub
Shendra Melia  Acting Director General, Services, Intellectual Property and Investment, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Eric Walsh  Director General, North America Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Nathalie Béchamp  Chief, Investor Services, Invest in Canada Hub

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair (Hon. Judy A. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek, Lib.)) Liberal Judy Sgro

Welcome to everyone. I'll call to order meeting number 26 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on International Trade. Today's meeting is webcast and is taking place in a hybrid format pursuant to the House order of January 25.

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), the committee will proceed with its study of the 2021-22 main estimates. As we have Minister Ng with us—which is great—the committee will also resume its study of investor-state dispute settlement mechanisms, pursuant to the motion adopted by the committee on October 23, 2020.

Welcome, Minister Ng, and your officials, back to see us again, as well as all of the officials from the Invest in Canada Hub.

Minister Ng, the floor is yours. Please go ahead.

11:05 a.m.

Markham—Thornhill Ontario

Liberal

Mary Ng LiberalMinister of Small Business

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Good morning to everyone, the vice-chairs and all of the other members of the committee. It is a pleasure to be with you today and to assist the committee in its important work and an honour to speak, through you, to Canadians once again.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to do both.

Throughout this past year, Canadians have stepped up and made sacrifices to help limit the spread of the COVID-19 virus and to support their communities.

In particular, business owners and workers have faced incredible hardship and uncertainty. They've persevered, showed historic resilience and adapted at every new turn. We've been supporting Canadians and their businesses from day one of this crisis. Our government's COVID-19 economic response plan has helped protect millions of jobs across the country and supported businesses to pay their bills.

Now, as we face renewed public health measures, many are being asked to sacrifice once again, and I want to reassure them that we are listening and that we continue to have their backs. This includes the emergency wage subsidy, emergency rent subsidy and the lockdown support, all of which we are extending until September, as we announced in last week's budget. Support also includes the Canada emergency business account, otherwise known as CEBA, and most recently HASCAP, which has further helped some of Canada's hardest hit businesses.

In budget 2021 our plan is to finish the fight against COVID-19 with significant investments in small businesses that will bring Canada's economy roaring back.

These measures are making a significant difference.

CEBA, for instance, delivered through Export Development Canada, has delivered nearly $47 billion in emergency credit to nearly 867,000 Canadian businesses since last April, with more than 530,000 businesses receiving the $20,000 expansion. These emergency supports are one part of our government's larger effort to help businesses bridge to the other side of the pandemic. We're also working hard to create opportunities for businesses to expand at home and abroad. For example, in 2020, EDC facilitated over $102 billion in business by working with nearly 25,000 companies.

As for Invest in Canada, in 2019 and 2020, they facilitated 18 investments, resulting in over 2,000 jobs and capital expenditures of $1.25 billion. In addition to EDC and Invest in Canada, other members of what I call “Canada's trade tool box” have been working hard throughout this pandemic to adapt and to create new opportunities for businesses to explore international markets. Take, for example, the Canadian Commercial Corporation, which, in 2019-20, generated $1.25 billion worth of contracts with foreign buyers for our Canadian exporters.

Also, take the trade commissioner service, which has pivoted to offer virtual tools and services to Canadian businesses, and also provided more than $33 million in supports through the CanExport program to help our businesses looking to diversify into other export markets.

It goes beyond these direct supports. Our government has been working to protect Canadian businesses as they bring their products and services to the global stage. For example, I've been working closely with the international community to seek investor-state dispute settlement protections for Canadian companies abroad while also maintaining our ability to regulate in the public interest here at home.

Our government has been doing this work since well before the pandemic, amid this pandemic, and we will continue to do so after the pandemic because we know that supporting Canada's businesses is the smartest thing we can do for our workers and our economy.

As we announced in budget 2021, we're taking even more decisive and responsible action to get Canadian businesses ready for long-term growth by investing in innovation, sustainability and inclusivity to get even more of our main streets and the 99% of small and medium-sized businesses that make up all our businesses to start up here at home, to scale up and to access the international markets. Whether it's new supports for digital adoption or to rehire workers, we will ensure that businesses of all sizes, and led by all peoples, can bring their made-in-Canada solutions to the world.

I'll end by saying this: In response to COVID-19, many have turned inward and looked to pursue protectionism, but we can't let the pandemic stop Canada from trading. That's why I've been working closely with my international partners from the G7, the G20, the WTO and APEC, and have led the Ottawa Group on WTO reform with our most recent meeting in March, to ensure that our supply chains remain open, our businesses continue their work and that crucial goods and services continue to flow.

We are shaping the modern future of the multilateral rules-based trading system, one that is increasingly digital and contributes to an inclusive future where everyone can benefit.

It's this kind of active work and meaningful international co-operation that is going to see us recover from COVID-19 and build back better together.

Thank you very much for your time.

I am looking forward to taking your questions.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Minister Ng.

The departmental officials we have with us, as well, today are, from the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, John Hannaford, deputy minister, international trade; Steve Verheul, assistant deputy minister, trade policy and negotiations; Anick Ouellette, assistant deputy minister and chief financial officer, corporate planning, finance and information technology; Sara Wilshaw, chief trade commissioner, assistant deputy minister, international business development, investment and innovation; Bruce Christie, associate assistant deputy minister, trade policy and negotiations; Annie Boyer, director general and deputy chief financial officer, financial planning and management; Eric Walsh, director general, North America bureau; and Katie Curran, chief administrative officer, and Nathalie Béchamp, chief, investor services, both with Invest in Canada.

Thank you all very much for making the time to be here with the committee today. We very much appreciate it.

We will open up with Ms. Gray, for six minutes, please.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Minister, for being here today.

The Invest in Canada Hub departmental plan lists priorities, including “promote Canada as a top investment destination”, “Strengthen Canada's Brand”, and “Implement Canada's Foreign Direct Investment Attraction Strategy”.

There is the global foreign direct investment country attractiveness index. Minister, do you know where Canada is on this global index?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

We're very proud of the work that Invest in Canada has been doing to attract foreign investment to Canada. Even through this pandemic, we have seen investments, for example, through Mastercard and HCL Technologies from India, all of whom have made investments here in Canada. The work that they do—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Right. Minister, do you know where we fall on that index?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I'd be happy to return to you with that specifically. I don't have it here in my notes, but suffice it to say that Invest in Canada continues to do its good work.

We have seen Canada continue—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Well, we're 17th, Minister.

Would you think that we are trending better or worse than other countries?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

Canada remains a top investment destination among the G20 countries. Our economy is expected to grow by 5% in 2021.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Right.

Minister, if I may, this is part of the department's plan. In fact, we're 17th. We're the country in the top 25 that has dropped more rankings than any other country since 2014. We were 13th, and now we're 17th.

Minister, considering that you have this new department with this organization that you're responsible for, this Invest in Canada Hub department, would you be happy with these results? It has a very large board of directors receiving remuneration. There's spending on travel and hospitality—a $34-million budget, 67 staff—yet the foreign direct investment attractiveness results are dropping.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I want to thank the honourable member for this really important question.

Our government is committed to ensuring that Canada remains competitive for foreign investors and that they see Canada as a destination to invest because of our highly skilled, well-educated workforce.

I would also point out that Canada is number two in Kearney's FDI index, so that is an achievement.

Throughout this pandemic, we have consistently seen high-calibre FDI, creating good jobs—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Minister, with all due respect, this is an actual international index—

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Ms. Gray, please allow the minister to answer the question.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I want to point to a couple of examples where FDI—good FDI—has taken place on the west coast and also here in the greater Toronto area.

For example, in early 2020, Mastercard, amidst this pandemic, announced a $490-million investment in cybersecurity and technology innovation for a centre in Vancouver that's going to create really good jobs. As well, India-based global company HCL Technologies just last month joined them for an exciting event where they announced further expansion.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Minister, can we move on? That's not really answering what my question is.

In the last recorded completed target indicators for Invest in Canada, there were three indicators. The first is for “data Partnerships and pan-Canadian collaboration”, and it says “status not available”. For “investor services”, it says the target is “to be determined” and then “target met”. For “marketing”, it says “indicator to be determined” and then “target met”.

Minister, how can you have indicators or targets that are “to be determined” and then grade them as “target met”?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

Thank you for that question—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

This is right on the government website. I guess maybe you're unfamiliar with that.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Please allow the minister to answer the question, Ms. Gray.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

There are three targets that were measured, as I mentioned.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I'm very pleased to report to members of this committee on the really good work that Invest in Canada has been doing as part of the trade tool kit, working together with EDC and with BDC. The trade commissioner service is continually [Technical difficulty—Editor] and throughout this pandemic to attract the foreign investment into Canada. I've shared a couple of successes and am happy to do more. As I mentioned earlier, Canada is number two on the Kearney foreign direct investment confidence index—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

With all due respect, that wasn't my question, though.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

—and this continues to bode well.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

There are six other indicators, for a total of nine. What is the status of those? Can you perhaps table the status of those other six indicators to this committee? They're not listed anywhere that we can see on the [Technical difficulty—Editor] website at this point.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

The honourable member's Zoom feed cut out. I didn't hear the question.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Do you want to repeat the question? You're breaking up a bit, Ms. Gray, in your transmission.