When I originally thought of this joint program, we were looking at a loan guarantee. As a taxpayer, I said, “I don't need a handout; I'm happy to pay it back.” There wasn't an envelope. There wasn't a practice. The hardest thing for me was where do I go? In the government, everybody thought it was a great idea. How do you get there? That really ties to finance.
I guess it really is the permitting regime. It just takes so long to permit anything in Canada. It just feels like you're almost—I don't want to be controversial here in saying—guilty until proven innocent.
We all have the best of intentions. I think we've been very fortunate with the Province of Ontario, which has really fast-tracked our project and dedicated us to their one-window process, but with 20 years of experience in permitting—and it's not just Canada—that's always the big hurdle, when you have to wait a whole year before you can get your permits and even get going when the world is changing around you.