On EDC-BDC, absolutely, we have been beneficiaries of IRAP. Personally and professionally, we're huge proponents of IRAP.
There are two things. I know the current budget seems to have given IRAP far more runway, from going all the way up to $10 million for scale-up companies. That's fantastic. My only thing is that I think cultural changes are probably needed in most of the agencies, with external folks looking at where we are going and how the government keeps in tandem with the pace of commercial growth. I know it's hard for us to talk about government agencies trying to know where the commercial growth is, but that kind of synchronicity would be better served if we could achieve that. IRAP is fantastic. It should continue, and we as a government should double down on it.
In regard to FedDev, we were a recipient of a $2.5-million loan that leveraged about $15 million, so it's probably well spent. It is a loan, which is fantastic, and I think it's one of the few instruments we have been able to go to for really scaling up. Our request to this panel is to allow them the flexibility, if we're doing well and if we're meeting the targets, to help us more, give us an additional loan without having to go through the bureaucracy or the red tape that was mentioned before. Make it easier for us, as long as we meet the metrics, and just like a bank, give us more in terms of a loan at 0%, which allows companies like ours to scale quite aggressively.