It's much easier if you're dealing with North America or western Europe, but in Indonesia and that part of the world, the Indo-Pacific, it's not transactional; it's a relationship. It's about rebuilding a relationship. It's not just a transactional occurrence. These are relationships that take years to build, and as we all know, a reputation and a relationship can take years to build but a moment to erode.
On May 2nd, 2024. See this statement in context.